Dale Eco-Drill

[H.Jackson]

some pictures of XI19 direct drilled into oat stubble on March the 5th

 

[H.Jackson]

Should add dale drilled

 

[SilliamWhale]

Is he? Going to see Mr Horsch next week so I'll ask him. Was just curious because I looked them up and they seemed pretty similar to Duetts

He'll probably tell you direct drill/no till is not suitable for Europe...

 

[dontknowanything]

He'll probably tell you direct drill/no till is not suitable for Europe...

you wouldn't expect turkeys to vote for Christmas....

 

[SilliamWhale]

http://www.no-tillfarmer.com/pages/forum/Minimum-tillage.php

I think these may have been his reasons. (top post on slugs and brome).

 

[Clive]

Very impressed with the demo, past has gone in near perfect

My only concern with the drill is how the tungsten tips are holding up to our stones ?

Before

After

110ac - just few points like this bit seems the tungsten has broken away ? Anyone else come across this on stonery land ?

 

[Richard III]

I see the same thing with SimTec T boot. It has the same tungsten leading edge that seems to last for ages, but after a while the metal thins a little behind the tungsten and is then prone to snapping in stoney land.

 

[dontknowanything]

Clive, did you take any pictures of the guttlers? I can see they have different ones compared to last year, but can't see clearly what they are like

 

[SilliamWhale]

I see the same thing with SimTec T boot. It has the same tungsten leading edge that seems to last for ages, but after a while the metal thins a little behind the tungsten and is then prone to snapping in stoney land.

I wouldn't be suprised if the tungsten is causing extended wear on the other part. Maybe it should be softer and more sacrificial? Save replacing more expensive bits?

 

[Clive]

Clive, did you take any pictures of the guttlers? I can see they have different ones compared to last year, but can't see clearly what they are like

Didn't take any sorry - they are not actually gutlers anymore but a small flat roller with a gutler style toothed band on each edge

 

[York]

All very well for the 1000 acre plus farmers, but what about the smaller farmer, is it just the plough for them, the thought of spending 50 odd thousand on a dale or even 35k on a new 3m jd, when the current kit is worth a few grand will take more than just faith. There are plenty of used cultivator drills on the market, be that disc or tine that could surely be converted for minimal cost, perhaps removing the system disc and replacing with a leading disc, or a gen coulter or perhaps even a standard moore. you may such accurate depth control but on narrow widths is this such a problem? Intrigued thats all.

I know what you mean. I have the 1000+ ha people which say: Look changing to No Till is not possible, tooo risky, can't do it at once.
The smaller farms say: tooo costly.
the smallest farms I know which do DD / No Till are 35 ha. One with a Moore / Dyna Drive and the other even with a 3.3 m CS drill.
Both are not doing custom working, so only their small farms and no cattle. So pure arable.
so it can be done, as others also have pointed out.

M.Horsch: he is now talking about "The art of perfect incorporating residues". Now when you meet him ask him on which bases / Research he is basing his guideline of "how many cm of tillage for a ton of straw residue". All people I asked so far are not able to give me the research of it and only refer to others. So maybe someone "dreamed" this up and all are just copying it of each others. Making a "false Assumption" to truth, just because it has been quoted so often and stayed around for ages?
And feel free to pas around greetings of me. Watch his reaction. ;-)
York-Th.

 

[rob1]

York, I thought the perceived wisdom in DD is to leave the residues on the surface not incorporate it

 

[dontknowanything]

York, I thought the perceived wisdom in DD is to leave the residues on the surface not incorporate it

That doesn't sell many cultivators

 

[Jim Bullock]

I know what you mean. I have the 1000+ ha people which say: Look changing to No Till is not possible, tooo risky, can't do it at once.
The smaller farms say: tooo costly.
the smallest farms I know which do DD / No Till are 35 ha. One with a Moore / Dyna Drive and the other even with a 3.3 m CS drill.
Both are not doing custom working, so only their small farms and no cattle. So pure arable.
so it can be done, as others also have pointed out.

M.Horsch: he is now talking about "The art of perfect incorporating residues". Now when you meet him ask him on which bases / Research he is basing his guideline of "how many cm of tillage for a ton of straw residue". All people I asked so far are not able to give me the research of it and only refer to others. So maybe someone "dreamed" this up and all are just copying it of each others. Making a "false Assumption" to truth, just because it has been quoted so often and stayed around for ages?
And feel free to pas around greetings of me. Watch his reaction. ;-)
York-Th.

York:
Somewhere in my archives I have the figures suggested by Horsch as to how deep you need to incroporate residue with regard to the amount of residue produced...it was something like 1cm/ton/ha.... As far as I am concerned all residue needs to be left on the soil surface so "Nature" can deal with it.. I have just come in from drilling spring wheat into ex-Winter OSR residue and although I was drilling into a dry surface only 25mm under the surface is/was mud...but it was full of worms so I just hope they will erate the soil sufficiently for the wheat to grow away....My long-term direct drilled land is just fine and although crops very slow to emerge ...5 weeks after drilling... at about 70% ....
The effect of 2012 (13) will be with us for probably 3-4 years. Our rotation this Spring is now dictated by which land we can travel on not where we ought to be planting (a )or (b )... we cant afford (c)..!

 

[SorenIlsoe]

M.Horsch: he is now talking about "The art of perfect incorporating residues". Now when you meet him ask him on which bases / Research he is basing his guideline of "how many cm of tillage for a ton of straw residue". All people I asked so far are not able to give me the research of it and only refer to others. So maybe someone "dreamed" this up and all are just copying it of each others. Making a "false Assumption" to truth, just because it has been quoted so often and stayed around for ages?
And feel free to pas around greetings of me. Watch his reaction. ;-)
York-Th.

Remember one thing: The worst nightmare for Mr. Horsch is that everybody goes DD! Then they can only sell one drill every 10-20th year to farmers and no Tiger cultivators and spare parts!
They are really fighting to prevent this development and to make farmers unsure about DD. Farmers has to believe that soil has to be deep loosened in 25 cm........
Horsch is a big business - not a scientific institution!
Soren

 

[Richard III]

I wouldn't be suprised if the tungsten is causing extended wear on the other part. Maybe it should be softer and more sacrificial? Save replacing more expensive bits?

I think they probably have the design about right, the tungsten prevents the tip loosing too much off it's length during it's lifetime, so a new tip can be fitted alongside a part worn one. The tip is really the only wearing part on the coulter I would say.

I have just checked, the drill has done about 800 acres on this set and has 32 tips @ £25 each, so works out at £1 acre.

 

[debe]

Anyone else come across this on stonery land ?

Seen the same thing with tungsten on a kv cld, wouldn't be without it though.

I have just checked, the drill has done about 800 acres on this set and has 32 tips @ £25 each, so works out at £1 acre.

Is this the 4.8 or 6m? how do you find the depth control?

 

[Clive]

Seen the same thing with tungsten on a kv cld, wouldn't be without it though.

Is this the 4.8 or 6m? how do you find the depth control?

6m demo here - depth control very good, not in 750a or cross slot league but the best I have seen on a tined drill

 

[debe]

I was really asking about Richard iii's simtech, would be interesting to hear about the wider ones if he owns one?

 

[benferg]

I've had the tungsten strip replaced with tungsten grit weld when it breaks off.

Down side is you get a wider point & when we tried it on the renovator I don't think we got as good a seeding.