Davis waves the white flag.

[Ashtree]

"Sun readers only read the pictures"
is that the irish sun readers your are referring too?

Those as well. The Sun attracts a certain socioeconomic segment of the population. I’m sure you though, just happened to see that article about our dear leader quite by accident.

 

[Ashtree]

"Sun readers only read the pictures"
is that the irish sun readers your are referring too?

Now here we go with a substantive article on the cheeky rookie Varadker’s position. Interesting detail and analysis you will never see in the Sun or Express! Seems the blasted minnows in Dublin are actually going to veto trade talks unless and until London gets its act together in the border issue. Take note of what Gove said. ...... good heavens man ...... is he happy to pull the carpet out from under Arlene F

The Brexit Veto: How and why Ireland raised the stakes https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1117/920981-long-read-brexit/

 

[baabaa]

pity leo cannot keep all the choir on the same tune
https://www.independent.ie/business...exit-to-happen-warns-mcguinness-36274556.html

 

[baabaa]

Those as well. The Sun attracts a certain socioeconomic segment of the population. I’m sure you though, just happened to see that article about our dear leader quite by accident.

come election day leo and the choirboys might just need them

 

[Two Tone]

Those as well. The Sun attracts a certain socioeconomic segment of the population. I’m sure you though, just happened to see that article about our dear leader quite by accident.

Which socioeconomic segment of the population do you class Independent readers as?
I only know of one. He grows a few tatties in Ireland. Do you know him?

 

[arcobob]

The Irish as net takers from the EU pot are not alone in their concerns any more than a large number of Germans, French and British are getting tired of being dictated to on all matters by an unelected rabble whose main aim is to obtain more power and feather their own nest. Why should we be expected to subsidise this activity over which we have no reasonable control.. We will always be vetoed or outvoted because the majority are takers, not givers.

 

[ollie989898]

I don't think anyone resents paying for access to the single market. That move can be weighed economically on it's own merits. Very easy.

What none of us want is political union with a bunch of socialist wayne kerrs who want to emulate the USSR.

Tusk can go screw himself.

Assurances about the rights of EU citizens in Britain? Fudge that mate, if people want to come to the UK, they live under the watchful gaze of UK courts. Simple.

No hard border with the Republic of Ireland? Err, fudge off again, the British voted for Britain, what the Irish want is immaterial.

Pay them the divorce money and run. They want to draw it out and make all kinds of concessions so as to discourage anyone else from leaving. Poland or Denmark will be next. You just watch.

 

[ollie989898]

Do you think the UK will be in the single market in 4 years time?

Europe's time is over. It will now fade into chaos. You are seeing the rise of extremist groups who feel their national sovereignty is being eroded and it is happening in more than one place. There are increasing security concerns on a continent which has battled with poor security for decades long before suicide bombers were mainstream.

You have too many economies and cultures who are wholly incompatible with each other. The only people who benefit are the Germans who manufacture and export hugely, and so benefit from a relatively weak Euro to do it. Meanwhile, Spain and Greece and other countries are thrown a bone in the form of debt the world bank will never give them just to keep quiet and let the gravy train roll on another few yards.

Mark my words, the EU project will end up in 3 possible outcomes:

1. A virtual reinstatement of the USSR with people being kept under control by increasingly harsh puppet governments.

2. Complete economic collapse for several member states, leading to mass insurrection and multiple independence movements that make BREXIT look like a kiddies picnic.

3. Some kind of regional for-real shooting war.

The only thing I can't tell you is a time frame.

 

[fudge]

Well if you cannot see when these apocalyptic events are going to take place I’ll have to think of you as Nostradamus. Given enough time any prediction can come true.

 

[arcobob]

Europe's time is over. It will now fade into chaos. You are seeing the rise of extremist groups who feel their national sovereignty is being eroded and it is happening in more than one place. There are increasing security concerns on a continent which has battled with poor security for decades long before suicide bombers were mainstream.

You have too many economies and cultures who are wholly incompatible with each other. The only people who benefit are the Germans who manufacture and export hugely, and so benefit from a relatively weak Euro to do it. Meanwhile, Spain and Greece and other countries are thrown a bone in the form of debt the world bank will never give them just to keep quiet and let the gravy train roll on another few yards.

Mark my words, the EU project will end up in 3 possible outcomes:

1. A virtual reinstatement of the USSR with people being kept under control by increasingly harsh puppet governments.

2. Complete economic collapse for several member states, leading to mass insurrection and multiple independence movements that make BREXIT look like a kiddies picnic.

3. Some kind of regional for-real shooting war.

The only thing I can't tell you is a time frame.

No unhappy alliance run by megalomaniacs has ever lasted very long and this one will surely unravel sooner or later. How or when is beyond our control but we do have the option to either distance ourselves from it or get involved in the inevitable skirmish which is to take place.. No point in trying in vain to be a hero or a martyr for a lost cause. Better to talk man to man with sovereign states who can negotiate in a realistic and open manner.

 

[Danllan]

...Mark my words, the EU project will end up in 3 possible outcomes:

1. A virtual reinstatement of the USSR with people being kept under control by increasingly harsh puppet governments.

2. Complete economic collapse for several member states, leading to mass insurrection and multiple independence movements that make BREXIT look like a kiddies picnic.

3. Some kind of regional for-real shooting war.

The only thing I can't tell you is a time frame.

I think you miss the obvious and far more probable fourth option, this being that following our leaving and 'surviving', other states have enough of being told what to do and leave one by one* until there is a 'rump'. This will become increasingly likely as the richer states have to / refuse to pay more in and the poorer states receive less; except for a very few dogmatists, it is all about money. Watch as Poland becomes ever more EU-sceptic as the money it receives diminishes, there will be a very close correlation.

*the main reason the EC doesn't want constructive negotiation or the UK to prosper

 

[czechmate]

I think you miss the obvious and far more probable fourth option, this being that following our leaving and 'surviving', other states have enough of being told what to do and leave one by one* until there is a 'rump'. This will become increasingly likely as the richer states have to / refuse to pay more in and the poorer states receive less; except for a very few dogmatists, it is all about money. Watch as Poland becomes ever more EU-sceptic as the money it receives diminishes, there will be a very close correlation.

*the main reason the EC doesn't want constructive negotiation or the UK to prosper

The likes of yourself and ploughbob remind me of my feelings as I life long LCFC supporter when they won the premiership. The big difference being though, I knew it wouldn't last. I can see your enjoying your virtual collapse of the eu for the moment though, so enjoy

 

[arcobob]

The likes of yourself and ploughbob remind me of my feelings as I life long LCFC supporter when they won the premiership. The big difference being though, I knew it wouldn't last. I can see your enjoying your virtual collapse of the eu for the moment though, so enjoy

Most football teams in their respective leagues hit a purple patch. It may last a month or incredibly a whole season as in the case of your team. Unfortunately what carried them to the dizzy heights was a mass of courage and self belief but, as with the EU, a small diversion can shatter the dream. A bit like Glasgow Rangers and their underhand ways may be a better analogy.

 

[Danllan]

The likes of yourself and ploughbob remind me of my feelings as I life long LCFC supporter when they won the premiership. The big difference being though, I knew it wouldn't last. I can see your enjoying your virtual collapse of the eu for the moment though, so enjoy

Honestly, I don't want and would not celebrate the collapse of the EU, but neither would I mourn it. What I would like to see is a free trading area, that's all. Sure, there could be cooperation in other matters too, but what I loathe, fear and have a deep suspicion of is the utter unaccountability of the European Commission.

And this is all the more so because it will soon have the ability to give an order to kill. And there will be nobody, not one person among them who is either accountable to or can be removed by the 'people' of Europe.