DD on livestock farm

hillman

Member
Location
Wicklow Ireland
Been having a bit of a disaster with weeds in the second year of swedes.

DD'd them middle of May,really dry allowed weeds to get a hold then they have taken over.

Drastic step today as have gone in with topper high and taken the top off.

Hoping plants will get more light and re invigorate with some in the wheeling bouncing back.
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Just to prove I don't get it right every year @neilo .

Showing ignorance here can you not spray them out ?
 

scholland

Member
Location
ze3
We have irg volunteers after being to early with glyoho at burn off so not perfect on that bit here. Going there will still be some crop.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Weeds are same family as the swedes,spray kills swedes.

Should have power harrowed,sown and pre emergenced it.

GM swedes would be a revolution,roundup ready.:cool:
We have HT swedes... believe me, they aren't all they're cracked up to be!
Can't quite remember exactly what is in them but many many farmers have lots cows from grazing them.
And they don't taste like a doon - more like a turnip.
But great for weed-problem areas :cool:

I think they were originally bred using a bok choi that wasn't killed, quite an interesting story behind them :)
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Weeds are same family as the swedes,spray kills swedes.

Should have power harrowed,sown and pre emergenced it.

GM swedes would be a revolution,roundup ready.:cool:

I had a field a couple of years ago that got swamped, although not quite as bad as that.:eek: It had glyphosate on a stale seedbed (post a clean crop of beet), cultivated, drilled then Butisan on as pre-emergence. I think the issue was a late flush of weeds germinating after the pre-emergence ran out of steam. The same would likely have happened this year, in fact it has, now the field is back in beet:banghead:.
Several times over with herbicide, just to knock the weeds back enough to let the beet overpower it, once it finally rained.

Are there any swedes worth saving in the bottom of that forest? When it happened to mine, the swedes that survived where about the size of cricket balls, at best. In hindsight, I should have sprayed it off with glyphosate in August and DD'ed some stubble turnips straight in.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
I had a field a couple of years ago that got swamped, although not quite as bad as that.:eek: It had glyphosate on a stale seedbed (post a clean crop of beet), cultivated, drilled then Butisan on as pre-emergence. I think the issue was a late flush of weeds germinating after the pre-emergence ran out of steam. The same would likely have happened this year, in fact it has, now the field is back in beet:banghead:.
Several times over with herbicide, just to knock the weeds back enough to let the beet overpower it, once it finally rained.

Are there any swedes worth saving in the bottom of that forest? When it happened to mine, the swedes that survived where about the size of cricket balls, at best. In hindsight, I should have sprayed it off with glyphosate in August and DD'ed some stubble turnips straight in.
Your post gives me the shivers, we had an identical experience a few years back :banghead::( the only difference was the choice of pre-em ... but the turnips grew like stink, of course. Ploughed the lot in and broadcast the seed straight on top. We think the rain flushed out the pre-em - hindsight eh..
One of those times you wonder "where did they all come from" :inpain::mad: as it had been pretty clean in the previous years :cautious:
 
@Yale

I had sow thistles and fat hen come in my rape turnip mix drilled in may as well. Not quite to the same extent thankfully. Tipped the lambs in 3 weeks ago - the first thing they did was eat the sow thistle stems. Then they stripped the fat hen! I was going to top it but obviously too late for the thistle. Letting the lambs do it now. Planning to run them over once lightly then go back for a second time.

My thistles will have blown in from ELS ground but the fat hen can only have been sat in the ground for 30 odd years.

Perhaps everyone should put some thistles in their TMR?
 

Kevtherev

Member
Location
Welshpool Powys
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Recently drilled grass on a dairy farm
 

JD-Kid

Member
Been having a bit of a disaster with weeds in the second year of swedes.

DD'd them middle of May,really dry allowed weeds to get a hold then they have taken over.

Drastic step today as have gone in with topper high and taken the top off.

Hoping plants will get more light and re invigorate with some in the wheeling bouncing back.
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Just to prove I don't get it right every year @neilo .
hows yer neck after driveing around backwards all day
 

James W

Member
Very much a livestock farm but grow some sb, clover and neeps alongside grass.
Right first my current regime is...
Grass 5 years, spring barley, undersown spring barley.
One crop per year of annual clover mix and neep/swede mix so some fields get this as well. The clover is usually sown between barley crops on light land and the neeps go in after 1st cut silage.
Establishment is plough and power harrow combi.

I have always wanted to try to dd the clover and neeps so I am wondering if I'm doing that should I go a step further and try a barley crop as well.

Questions!
How successful can barley dd into 5 year old grass be? What are main reasons for failure? WHat is the best practice for crop establishment?
Will it be possible to sow barley dd and then follow on with grass to undersow?
Dung, is well rotted cattle dung ok to sow into? Will it do as much lying on the surface?
Am I going to achieve anything by trying dd? Our soil structure and worm population are pretty good with grass in the rotation.
There is an old moore not too far away so may try that next spring to see how we get on.
Sorry for all the beginners questions but I need to figure it out for myself then try convince dad who LOVES ploughing!
Thanks in advance
the old Moore might be quite good for the job, if the grass is short and soil soft it should plant it ok unless the discs are worn out. If you havnt many stones then you have other options. Are you far north so looking at s.barley ?
 

scholland

Member
Location
ze3
the old Moore might be quite good for the job, if the grass is short and soil soft it should plant it ok unless the discs are worn out. If you havnt many stones then you have other options. Are you far north so looking at s.barley ?
Bit happened since the post you quoted, we got an old moore and did a fair bit with it lots of photos etc in the thread.
 

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