Dealing with depression - suicidal thoughts - Join the conversation (including helpline details)

[czechmate]

Euthanasia should be a legal option, if you want to die so be it i say, why rule you have to live for ever ?

A cz friend (not my wife) gave me a cz novel, translated to English. In one chapter, there was a piece about a parkland hill within Prague, where you could choose to walk up a path up the hill, say nothing but just stand and be shot as a public service. I think the story is set in their bleakest times, late 60’s, 70’s. I asked my wife if it was a real thing but she is too young to know an answer.
I found the idea fascinating. Must admit, there have been times when, if it was so easy, I would of used such a service (well my whole 30’s) but am very greatfull now that I didn’t

 

[Hilly]

A cz friend (not my wife) gave me a cz novel, translated to English. In one chapter, there was a piece about a parkland hill within Prague, where you could choose to walk up a path up the hill, say nothing but just stand and be shot as a public service. I think the story is set in their bleakest times, late 60’s, 70’s. I asked my wife if it was a real thing but she is too young to know an answer.
I found the idea fascinating. Must admit, there have been times when, if it was so easy, I would of used such a service (well my whole 30’s) but am very greatfull now that I didn’t

Shouldn't be that easy but should be available, my old man is in a care home, if i had a shed full of animals like we keep people id be locked up, its disgusting the way we hang on too human life at all cost.

 

[Christoph1945]

A cz friend (not my wife) gave me a cz novel, translated to English. In one chapter, there was a piece about a parkland hill within Prague, where you could choose to walk up a path up the hill, say nothing but just stand and be shot as a public service. I think the story is set in their bleakest times, late 60’s, 70’s. I asked my wife if it was a real thing but she is too young to know an answer.
I found the idea fascinating. Must admit, there have been times when, if it was so easy, I would of used such a service (well my whole 30’s) but am very greatfull now that I didn’t

Was there ever a cz biscuit called Solent Green?

 

[Loner]

Hi Loner, welcome aboard. I must have missed your post describing your depression on here and can't presently find it in this thread; what date did you post it and in which thread?

It looks like my posts have been deleted because the post I placed on the forum in relation to being hacked on this forum was not liked because a lot of people got the wrong end of the stick,and decided that I was attacking the forum. I wasn't I was just posting an article that should be of concern to anybody who uses a computer, maybe you could ask the owner /moderator of the site where my posts have gone and why.

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

It looks like my posts have been deleted because the post I placed on the forum in relation to being hacked on this forum was not liked because a lot of people got the wrong end of the stick,and decided that I was attacking the forum. I wasn't I was just posting an article that should be of concern to anybody who uses a computer, maybe you could ask the owner /moderator of the site where my posts have gone and why.

People will often decide many things. Anyone can take offence at any little thing. We read things the way we want them read. I wouldn't worry too much about it, if it was a while ago many would have forgotten by now. I myself have posted stuff on various forms, including here, and been attacked for it, but that's life am afraid. If you post stuff expect there will be some offended.

 

[Christoph1945]

It looks like my posts have been deleted because the post I placed on the forum in relation to being hacked on this forum was not liked because a lot of people got the wrong end of the stick,and decided that I was attacking the forum. I wasn't I was just posting an article that should be of concern to anybody who uses a computer, maybe you could ask the owner /moderator of the site where my posts have gone and why.

I believe that your posts concerning hacking are still active.

You are more than welcome to describe your depression here in this thread and there are many here who have been through similar situations and survived.

Chris

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

Twitter is good for some things

 

[Texel Tup]

The term 'selfish' frequently crops up on this thread and some of the recent posts have set me thinking. Is it then, the self that actually causes most of our anxieties and suicides? Is it the self that hurts us and not all the nasty actions and words of others? The Germans call suicide "self murder"! Is suicide, for some, the only way of stopping the intolerable pain of self?

How, do you suppose, can we improve and strengthen the self not to be so hurt by slights and disappointments? Very often, the bruised and damaged child that we once were still dwells within us and influences our thoughts and actions to this very day, creating sensitive selves that buckle under intolerable burdens that others just shrug off?

Is there a better word than selfish that we can use?

Para 1: Most of what we do in life is selfish - we give a loved one a gift and mostly we get such pleasure when we see the surprise and joy on their face. 'Selfish' isn't always wrong. Of course suicide is a selfish act, with that aspect all so often being that the person involved would rarely give any thought to the impact which their actions may have, and upon those who love them - and this is all so often the tragedy - those who are left behind.

Para II: I left my last boarding school 55 years ago, and last summer I went back for a reunion - it was a weird experience! I saw lads who I hadn't seen since my leaving date and they were exactly as they were when I last saw them, the same laugh, the same facial countenance, the whole thing - weird! We carry the sins of our fathers and we visit exactly the same problems upon our children, or at least we tend to. Some idiot once wrote a well intentioned book about how to bring up children.
The Jesuits will say give me a boy to the age of 8 and I will give you back the man. Of all the billions of people who've gone before us, they have all been just like us and each and every one, definably different and individual - no two people have ever been the same in the history of man.

Para III: I'm not sure that there is a 'better' word - - - - more acceptable? Not sure of that either. 'Turning within ourselves and we're totally engrossed in the 'ether' which surrounds us and from which we see no escape'? Selfish and that's ok because that's what it is. I feel that it's to be understood and accepted, rather than corrected.

 

[Texel Tup]

Well I've noticed this thread but never looked until now !
Brother in law tried to top him self on Monday but didn't succeed to say it was a shock was an understatement!
Now whole family is coming to terms with it .He wouldn't let anyone see him in hospital! Elderly parrents are in bits!
Not sure how it's going to end!
I've got a bad feeling .!

It would be unusual for those who are determined, to fail.
You appear in one sense to treat it in a light hearted manner, and that's ok, but then you're also conscious of the impact upon your entire family.
I would suggest that your BiL will probably be offered help - at least I'd hope so. It was only about 5 years ago or so, that I came to understand that there can be chemical imbalances within the brain which can bring about major bouts of anxiety and depression and these, once recognised and equated, are relatively easily remedied. Depression which is brought about by that black and overhead cloud isn't always so easily dealt with.
I hope hat you will feel able to offer support, not just to your BiL but to to those who stand around, those upon whom the impact will most probably be immense.

 

[Texel Tup]

Shouldn't be that easy but should be available, my old man is in a care home, if i had a shed full of animals like we keep people id be locked up, its disgusting the way we hang on too human life at all cost.

Indeed it is shameful - but the problem is that it starts - - where does this increased care start? I'm 72 and last year I had a minor TIA (a forerunner to a stroke). I'm am now on one tablet a day and forever and another to deal with my above-the-norm cholesterol level. Perhaps 40 years ago and before all this care was available, by now I'd be dead. No, I don't want to live forever, and NO I don't want to be as your old man - it's pitiful, I agree, but life is sweet and precious to everyone who draws breath - not so much for the spectators, but where do we draw the line?
My FiL is only 14 years my senior. He has a form of epilepsy and he has dementia, both of which are medicated - with care from us and the 'system', he lives alone and in his own world. At what point does Society remove 'Care', when he starts to sh!t himself?
Watching your father deteriorate must be a dreadful experience I'm sure, watching a previously proud and strong man with perhaps a huge sense of his own self worth, degenerate into a feeble and totally reliant shell of his former self, must have us all wondering what the authorities would do, if we kept animals like that. It's all so futile, isn't it?
You have my understanding and my sympathy.

 

[jondear]

It would be unusual for those who are determined, to fail.
You appear in one sense to treat it in a light hearted manner, and that's ok, but then you're also conscious of the impact upon your entire family.
I would suggest that your BiL will probably be offered help - at least I'd hope so. It was only about 5 years ago or so, that I came to understand that there can be chemical imbalances within the brain which can bring about major bouts of anxiety and depression and these, once recognised and equated, are relatively easily remedied. Depression which is brought about by that black and overhead cloud isn't always so easily dealt with.
I hope hat you will feel able to offer support, not just to your BiL but to to those who stand around, those upon whom the impact will most probably be immense.

It's been one hell of a week for every one .
Bil has been visited by family members and seems not to bad but he is a mess after a break up of his relationship and a long term illness of restless leg syndrome and its complications.
My wife did break down yesterday after it all got to her .I feel pretty useless atm

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

It's been one hell of a week for every one .
Bil has been visited by family members and seems not to bad but he is a mess after a break up of his relationship and a long term illness of restless leg syndrome and its complications.
My wife did break down yesterday after it all got to her .I feel pretty useless atm

So sorry to hear that x you're not useless, just be there for everybody and support your wife that's being useful support is the best thing and most useful

 

[Hilly]

Indeed it is shameful - but the problem is that it starts - - where does this increased care start? I'm 72 and last year I had a minor TIA (a forerunner to a stroke). I'm am now on one tablet a day and forever and another to deal with my above-the-norm cholesterol level. Perhaps 40 years ago and before all this care was available, by now I'd be dead. No, I don't want to live forever, and NO I don't want to be as your old man - it's pitiful, I agree, but life is sweet and precious to everyone who draws breath - not so much for the spectators, but where do we draw the line?
My FiL is only 14 years my senior. He has a form of epilepsy and he has dementia, both of which are medicated - with care from us and the 'system', he lives alone and in his own world. At what point does Society remove 'Care', when he starts to sh!t himself?
Watching your father deteriorate must be a dreadful experience I'm sure, watching a previously proud and strong man with perhaps a huge sense of his own self worth, degenerate into a feeble and totally reliant shell of his former self, must have us all wondering what the authorities would do, if we kept animals like that. It's all so futile, isn't it?
You have my understanding and my sympathy.

Thankyou and you absolutely correct ! its horrendous, i don`t know the answer and i have given it a lot of thought ! Dementia is horrendous, we looked at all the homes in locality about 6 or 7 i think all full with people with Dementia, heart breaking.Thankyou again.

 

[Christoph1945]

Sometimes the smallest act can leave lasting comfort and a gentle word spoken with conviction can be like easing balm to the mind.

 

[Christoph1945]

I once worked for a company that collected and disposed of adult sanitary items ( Big Nappies )! We filled five, or six, seven and a half ton trucks every day. You would be amazed by the amount of adult incontinence there is in our society. Out of site, out of mind!

But the problems run a little deeper and are more complex than you know. An elderly friend of my wife's was in care and upon asking to be toileted was told that there wasn't enough time at that moment………….just do it in the nappy! A 'lot' of that goes on as well. (Not true incontinence)

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

Just wanted to thank everyone for their kind thoughts/words and moral support since I've been on this thread. Helped tons. Just thought I'd let you know that my grandmother had another stroke and is going to die. She is now brain dead and they have taken away feeding and hydration tubes and upped the painkillers, so we are praying she won't suffer much longer but will pass away peacefully. My father is with her ATM alongside his brother as they wanted to be there right until the end. I keep thinking of the conversations we had and the time we spent together and I don't regret a single moment, I just wish there could have been more when she was well. But that's life and death and we have to move onwards and upwards and take comfort she had a good life, difficult one but good. We will all miss her a lot, she has had a large impact on our lives, her wise words will be kept in my heart forever. Thanks again guys for the support you have shown/given, it's meant more than anything stay safe everyone and keep posting!

 

[Christoph1945]

Sorry to hear that Grandma is making her final journey. Despite her having been pronounced brain dead, don't hesitate to talk with her as though she is actually hearing and hold her hand, if you can.

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

Sorry to hear that Grandma is making her final journey. Despite her having been pronounced brain dead, don't hesitate to talk with her as though she is actually hearing and hold her hand, if you can.

I didn't go to see her at all, too difficult. My father has been with her non stop and my brother went to see her one last time. Just trying to get my head down and work on the farm. No motivation and just want to scream!

 

[Christoph1945]

As you are dropping off to sleep tonight, after your prayer time, just whisper a conversation to grandma and see how it helps your inner feelings.

Chris

 

[DrWazzock]

We have lost two close family members here over the last few years. Grandmother then father. We tried to make their last days as happy as possible which wasn't easy at times but they did still experience some happy moments even while laid up. I will never forget dad grasping a wheat plant I'd brought in for him to see while we changed him. I will say that when they finally passed away they looked utterly peaceful. The words "the strife is o'er, the battle done" sprang to mind. So though we missed them and were upset by the utter finality of their departure, we felt that they had the made the most of their lives in their own way and death brought peace as a final reward for years of striving for a full life. I'll always choose life over death any day, as the possibilities are endless and life is for living and there is some much beauty if you open your eyes to it, but I don't fear death quite as much as I used to.