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Er I am getting on with it. If you recall correctly it was you who accused remainers of being "undynamic haves". WTF does that mean?So what is the issue ?, we had a vote we got a result thats it we have to get on with it .
Er I am getting on with it. If you recall correctly it was you who accused remainers of being "undynamic haves". WTF does that mean?So what is the issue ?, we had a vote we got a result thats it we have to get on with it .
The people( not necessarily farmers or landowners )who wish things to stay as they are have capital assets and have been doing quite nicely dont need or want to change their present situation -undynamic , the people who are struggleing for whatever reason want the opposite some them come up against all sorts of eu inflicted obsticles etc but want to up their game if they had the opportunity -dynamic .I wrote 'uk generalisation 'there will be exceptions on both sides I didnt accuse anybody of anything just said how it was and why I thought we got the result we did which apparently you dont like sorryEr I am getting on with it. If you recall correctly it was you who accused remainers of being "undynamic haves". WTF does that mean?
Yup it was bollox this morning and it is still bollox. There is no evidence that you know why anyone voted the way they did. IMO you will find as many reasons as voters in any election.The people( not necessarily farmers or landowners )who wish things to stay as they are have capital assets and have been doing quite nicely dont need or want to change their present situation -undynamic , the people who are struggleing for whatever reason want the opposite some them come up against all sorts of eu inflicted obsticles etc but want to up their game if they had the opportunity -dynamic .I wrote 'uk generalisation 'there will be exceptions on both sides I didnt accuse anybody of anything just said how it was and why I thought we got the result we did which apparently you dont like sorry
So why are you bothered about it ? The only 'evidence ' I have experienced is the winges and moans of local people around me that are known to me most of them were financially basedYup it was bollox this morning and it is still bollox. There is no evidence that you know why anyone voted the way they did. IMO you will find as many reasons as voters in any election.
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Now speaking of tripe. You run a highly efficient tripe and two faced trollop production line. From where. Slap bang in the EU
Standing on the sidelines behind a very secure wall of sand bags. Playing both sides. Covering your ass. Urging on others to jump out of the trench and run across no mans land. Brexit requires proper Brits with resolve and stiff upper lip fighting the good fight from Lands End to John O Groats.
Plastic Brits swanning around in the olive groves of Portugal simply don't cut it.
It may be bollox to you but people voted for change therefore I assume logically they were not happy with their lot and were prepared to take a risk to change it - this is' dynamic 'whether you like it or not !Yup it was bollox this morning and it is still bollox. There is no evidence that you know why anyone voted the way they did. IMO you will find as many reasons as voters in any election.
I voted remain at in the referendum but I think it is important to implement the decision quickly. Kicking contentious issues such as free movement 5 years down the road is a recipe for political dissatisfaction. Mrs May is in danger of becoming disconnected from the "will of the people"This thread has some very interesting points if you ignore the unnecessary personal insults.
The 2 points I would like to make are;
i, The referendum was the only meaningful input the British people have had on the EU in many of their lifetimes. A referendum always favours inertia, so a leave vote is very significant if only 52%.
ii, Leaving is a change of direction. Remainers only ever seem to compare the short term difficulties of leaving with the past decades of a fairly stable EU.
To be fair you need to compare the likely situations of being in or out in at least a decade.
The "better educated" ensured they have the EU banking centre in London, the EU Medical centre in London, Environmental jobs in Bristol and the Science Research jobs in Cambridge and Oxford ... all funded with EU money ... which just so happens to be funded by everyone else in the UK. Plus funding god knows how many others hangers-on throughout the rest of the EU.
In any negotiation there has to be a UK line in the sand. 2 years and 9 months is plenty of time to come up with an all British immigration policy which IMO should be implemented from day, irrespective of all temporary economic damage. If it is a fair policy it will speak directly to ordinary European voters.Exactly, and many of these will now move some or all of their jobs, finance and expertise somewhere else.
This is a bit hysterical. Brussels does have a mandate for "ever closer political union" in the treaties that created the EU. Which were signed off by democratically elected governments. We don't want to join in that's all. Whether others change their minds is, with all due respect, a matter for them. The UK has no need to look to the actions of others to validate it's own decisions does it?@Muck Spreader You always put your view across sensibly not hysterically so I ask you what you would have done. The UK always has been more reserved 're the EU and have never been given a chance since joining to directly express our concern about tge ever closer union . We are not the only people concerned at this and yet the big names running the EU constantly talk of drawing closer its getting close to a federal system but they have no mandate for any of this or closer political ties.It is this combination of political arrogance, conceit and downright lack of accountability that made the majority here vote to leave. It may be bumpy and it may not be the best economic decision (it may be ) .But at least it is our decision and that is the nub of it.
Yes and property prices will fall to a more realistic level relateing to peoples income and other skills will perhaps be valued more , maybe even farming skills who knows ?Exactly, and many of these will now move some or all of their jobs, finance and expertise somewhere else.
What part of my post was hysterical?This is a bit hysterical. Brussels does have a mandate for "ever closer political union" in the treaties that created the EU. Which were signed off by democratically elected governments. We don't want to join in that's all. Whether others change their minds is, with all due respect, a matter for them. The UK has no need to look to the actions of others to validate it's own decisions does it?
This is a bit hysterical. Brussels does have a mandate for "ever closer political union" in the treaties that created the EU. Which were signed off by democratically elected governments. We don't want to join in that's all. Whether others change their minds is, with all due respect, a matter for them. The UK has no need to look to the actions of others to validate it's own decisions does it?
Eh? I was in favour of being a member of the eu. I voted to remain. The referendum is over the result was clear. Time to move on, I have never been in favour of ignoring the result. My opinion and it is only an opinion is that lazy politicians blame our own problems on the EU.So where were you in 1970 whatever, with your world wide web and your iphone, enabling you to inform the masses of sub average intellegence of what a pup they were being sold?
Eh? I was in favour of being a member of the eu. I voted to remain. The referendum is over the result was clear. Time to move on, I have never been in favour of ignoring the result. My opinion and it is only an opinion is that lazy politicians blame our own problems on the EU.
I am entitled to my opinion and have a right to express it. Which I did during the referendum campaign. In 1970 I was six years old.
Your the one
describing the masses as of sub average intelligence. Displaying your usual Neanderthal disregard for other people's opinions.
Well it is true that the UK didn't hold a referendum on those treaties but it is not true to say Brussels acted unconstitutionally. At the risk of repeating myself those treats we're ratified by each member state according to their own laws. Now if you are saying the UK govt should have held a referendum at that stage, then history has proved you correct.What part of my post was hysterical?
The government may have signed off parts of treaties which involved closer ties but it was never put to the public. First time and that's the result.
Show me that reference and I'll apologise and correct it.No.
Your wrong.
Had the masses of sub intelligent (your inference way back) had been made aware of the small print way back when, with the benefit of the freedom and accessability of information that we enjoy today, no way would they have voted to JOIN THE EEC.
Really? The world economy is dynamic, people,jobs and capital move around. The average leavers argument is I deserve a job because I'm British. How f***ing dynamic!