Death after crash involving tractor and car in Somerset

[Tarw Coch]

No. Only an agricultural trailed appliance if it's max gross weight is not more than twice it's unladen weight, otherwise it's a trailer ( or at least the rules for a trailer apply).

So would I be right in thinking that a 12 to tractor pulling a 12 to tanker with dribble bar could legally carry 11.5 ton of slurry but would be illegal at 12.5 ton?

In fact, is it right that the addition of a dribble bar or whatever moves a tanker from the same classification as a trailer to an agricultural appliance which has different rules?

 

[Simon Chiles]

So would I be right in thinking that a 12 to tractor pulling a 12 to tanker with dribble bar could legally carry 11.5 ton of slurry but would be illegal at 12.5 ton?

In fact, is it right that the addition of a dribble bar or whatever moves a tanker from the same classification as a trailer to an agricultural appliance which has different rules?

No. Sorry but I forgot to add that when an agricultural trailed appliance exceeds 14,230kgs it also becomes a trailer.
In your case the 12 ton tanker could only have 2230 kgs of slurry before it became a trailer and over 6290 kgs before it became illegal. You'll understand now that when we were trying to increase the weight limit it wasn't just for barley barons!!

 

[Tomtrac]

Tanker would be a good bit more than 6t I have a 14000l joskin and it's nearer 8t so a bigger one will hardly be lighter

Yeh as said in my prev post i am estimating how it could be of done
Just seen an ad for a fendt and it said it weighed 18 ton so that puts a different light on it again

 

[Henarar]

You'll understand now that when we were trying to increase the weight limit it wasn't just for barley barons!!

maybe, but 50/60 ton gross with a tractor and then wonder why the HGV boys are getting pee'd off

 

[Simon Chiles]

maybe, but 50/60 ton gross with a tractor and then wonder why the HGV boys are getting pee'd off

Nobody was suggesting anywhere near those weights, max suggested was 41t for a tri axle on road friendly suspension ( air or hydraulic) and both the FTA and RHA were consulted first and happy with the proposals.
@Tarw Coch was suggesting they were running out of an AD plant, I suspect that alone is illegal on red regardless of weight. Someone at VOSA might get promotion.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Nobody was suggesting anywhere near those weights, max suggested was 41t for a tri axle on road friendly suspension ( air or hydraulic) and both the FTA and RHA were consulted first and happy with the proposals.
@Tarw Coch was suggesting they were running out of an AD plant, I suspect that alone is illegal on red regardless of weight. Someone at VOSA might get promotion.

To be fair, I wouldn't have a clue wether they were running in red or white. But that's a whole another debate, use of red diesel for what is essentially power generation.

 

[Skimmer]

There is one at an AD plant near here carries 32000 litres 3 axle joskins I don't know what it's kerb weight though towed by 939 fendt don't really know what that weighs either.

Talking to the owner & operator yesterday it weighs 57 ton fully loaded.

 

[bankrupt]

Talking to the owner & operator yesterday it weighs 57 ton fully loaded.

That means it's just about legal when 25% full.

 

[Henarar]

Talking to the owner & operator yesterday it weighs 57 ton fully loaded.

hope they get caught if they drive it on the road

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Talking to the owner & operator yesterday it weighs 57 ton fully loaded.

you know, there is bending the law a bit, and sticking 2 fingers up at the law,

this is the equivalent in the HGV world of a Scania 640, V8 running at over 75 mph and loaded to over 75 tonnes gross, and that would be on 6 axles not 5,

 

[Henarar]

I wonder what would happen if they killed someone with that stupid outfit, I suspect they would wish they had never seen it

 

[Tarw Coch]

you know, there is bending the law a bit, and sticking 2 fingers up at the law,

this is the equivalent in the HGV world of a Scania 640, V8 running at over 75 mph and loaded to over 75 tonnes gross, and that would be on 6 axles not 5,

But if it's big shiny and new it's ok, it's that old guy trundling along on his 135 you need to watch out for, he's got no brakes on his trailer.

 

[Skimmer]

you know, there is bending the law a bit, and sticking 2 fingers up at the law,

this is the equivalent in the HGV world of a Scania 640, V8 running at over 75 mph and loaded to over 75 tonnes gross, and that would be on 6 axles not 5,

To be fair it does very little road work.

hope they get caught if they drive it on the road

 

[Henarar]

should hope not

 

[windymiller]

Talking to the owner & operator yesterday it weighs 57 ton fully loaded.

Christ, if that was a hgv you'd need STGO cat 2 to move that thing along the road when full.

 

[Bobthebuilder]

was a fendt and larrington trailer in local grain store a couple of weeks ago grossed out at just under 45t

 

[Granite Farmer]

If a tanker has a splash plate or dribble bar on the back for example is it classed as an implement or trailer. If the former does it still come under the gross train weight laws?

 

[76masseyman]

If a tanker has a splash plate or dribble bar on the back for example is it classed as an implement or trailer. If the former does it still come under the gross train weight laws?

Yes. Can only be classed as implement if still above half gross weight when empty.

 

[76masseyman]

was a fendt and larrington trailer in local grain store a couple of weeks ago grossed out at just under 45t

Should be asked to leave without tipping if over weight. Only get one warning at beet factory.

 

[kiwi pom]

Surely they'd be better hauling the stuff up the road in trucks and having a nice light tanker in the field for spreading?
Watching youtube the other night there was a flash farming outfit in Scotland hauling rye for an AD plant, triaxle stewart trailers loading to the nuts, cant be under can it? They were weighing them all but never mentioned the weights.
Does make you laugh when you see stuff like that then farmers claim they have too many regulations!