Death after crash involving tractor and car in Somerset

Skimmer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
North Notts
Well they are but they are not condemned you just retest them it's not hard to test a trailer not much too them in . Just tested one of mine built in 1972 done far more than a million miles and obviously in very good nick I 30 of years of testing selling exporting and operating trailers on haulage and agriculture I've never seen any that should be condemned if a trailer has just come out of service it should be road worthy weather it's in test or not as high mileage use are inspected every 4 weeks, the same with any machinery used on the roads if it's got a issue fix it
Fair enough, but the last 4 weekly will be the last time many of them see a mechanic & carry on being used sometimes at nearly lorry speeds behind fast tractors for years to come.
 

Tomtrac

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Location
Penrith cumbria
Same old same old
Wether its working on a roof in a grain bin or operating a farm machine
Farmers/contractors are well known for rushing about and cutting corners to get the job done
Training and thinking are whats needed but the trouble is the rules aren't all black and white
I am under the impression all machines from a strimmer to a combine should be checked daly and have a list/copy of regular safety checks Completed but i bet 90% dont have one
But is that law ???
Farm kids drive from walking age they get good knowledge etc but is that correct but could dad pay for a full time worker to do what his kids do !! But that has always happened on family farms
Going from tractors doing 30 or 40k to bigger larger out fits is asking for trouble
A family member was working down south and he happend to put the tractor and tanker on a weight bridge 65 ton yes 65 ton
4 ton front weight block wheel weights in rear massive tractor and big tanker i guessed at 35t but at that its gone to far at 50 pluss k and a 17/18 year old on a car licence i am a sorry but things have to change
Ag stuff in fields and trucks or truck speck going from field to store
A tractor is a tractor and haulage is haulage
After a few more incidents things may change
 
Same old same old
Wether its working on a roof in a grain bin or operating a farm machine
Farmers/contractors are well known for rushing about and cutting corners to get the job done
Training and thinking are whats needed but the trouble is the rules aren't all black and white
I am under the impression all machines from a strimmer to a combine should be checked daly and have a list/copy of regular safety checks Completed but i bet 90% dont have one
But is that law ???
Farm kids drive from walking age they get good knowledge etc but is that correct but could dad pay for a full time worker to do what his kids do !! But that has always happened on family farms
Going from tractors doing 30 or 40k to bigger larger out fits is asking for trouble
A family member was working down south and he happend to put the tractor and tanker on a weight bridge 65 ton yes 65 ton
4 ton front weight block wheel weights in rear massive tractor and big tanker i guessed at 35t but at that its gone to far at 50 pluss k and a 17/18 year old on a car licence i am a sorry but things have to change
Ag stuff in fields and trucks or truck speck going from field to store
A tractor is a tractor and haulage is haulage
After a few more incidents things may change
Yes, I agree to a point which is why I don't think the weights and speeds should have been increased for tractors/machinery, the rules were fine as they were for most farms, if large agri business want to take on large amounts of land all over the place often many miles from base let them haul their goods by lorry, the kit is available to transfer loads direct from field trailers to lorries and would take a lot of mud and tractors off the road, along with a lot of young inexperienced drivers doing long hours that wouldn't be allowed on the haulage industry.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
if large agri business want to take on large amounts of land all over the place often many miles from base let them haul their goods by lorry, the kit is available to transfer loads direct from field trailers to lorries and would take a lot of mud and tractors off the road, along with a lot of young inexperienced drivers doing long hours that wouldn't be allowed on the haulage industry.
its those farmers/agribusiness that go to the NFU meetings to push for even higher weights and faster speeds
 

puntabrava

Member
Location
Wiltshire
Same old same old
Wether its working on a roof in a grain bin or operating a farm machine
Farmers/contractors are well known for rushing about and cutting corners to get the job done
Training and thinking are whats needed but the trouble is the rules aren't all black and white
I am under the impression all machines from a strimmer to a combine should be checked daly and have a list/copy of regular safety checks Completed but i bet 90% dont have one
But is that law ???
Farm kids drive from walking age they get good knowledge etc but is that correct but could dad pay for a full time worker to do what his kids do !! But that has always happened on family farms
Going from tractors doing 30 or 40k to bigger larger out fits is asking for trouble
A family member was working down south and he happend to put the tractor and tanker on a weight bridge 65 ton yes 65 ton
4 ton front weight block wheel weights in rear massive tractor and big tanker i guessed at 35t but at that its gone to far at 50 pluss k and a 17/18 year old on a car licence i am a sorry but things have to change
Ag stuff in fields and trucks or truck speck going from field to store
A tractor is a tractor and haulage is haulage
After a few more incidents things may change
I'd say your post is rubbish. Name the weighbridge that was calibrated to 65 tons!! They all go into error mode over 50
 
I'd say your post is rubbish. Name the weighbridge that was calibrated to 65 tons!! They all go into error mode over 50
just thinking aloud here but it would be a heck of a tractor to weigh in at 20 tons even with all that ballast.
It would be a heck of a tanker to weigh in at 10 tons even with dribble bar or whatever on the back .
Which leaves 35 ton for muck, by my calculations that would be around 8000 gallons, do they make tankers that big?
 

Skimmer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
North Notts
just thinking aloud here but it would be a heck of a tractor to weigh in at 20 tons even with all that ballast.
It would be a heck of a tanker to weigh in at 10 tons even with dribble bar or whatever on the back .
Which leaves 35 ton for muck, by my calculations that would be around 8000 gallons, do they make tankers that big?
There is one at an AD plant near here carries 32000 litres 3 axle joskins I don't know what it's kerb weight though towed by 939 fendt don't really know what that weighs either.
 
There is one at an AD plant near here carries 32000 litres 3 axle joskins I don't know what it's kerb weight though towed by 939 fendt don't really know what that weighs either.
Just had a quick google and a 939 has a max permissible weight of 18 tons. Not sure of weight of slurry but IIRC water is 1 ton per m3 so that would be 32 ton.
Another quick google and I think 32000 litres is as big as they go but I can't find a weight listed, there may be a good reason for that.
 
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DeeGee

Member
Location
North East Wales
Yes, I agree to a point which is why I don't think the weights and speeds should have been increased for tractors/machinery, the rules were fine as they were for most farms, if large agri business want to take on large amounts of land all over the place often many miles from base let them haul their goods by lorry, the kit is available to transfer loads direct from field trailers to lorries and would take a lot of mud and tractors off the road, along with a lot of young inexperienced drivers doing long hours that wouldn't be allowed on the haulage industry.

Well said Tarw, and so very true. Deregulated allowance that was supposed to allow farmers to move produce from their fields to the farmstead has been gradually ever abused over the years to the extent that these mega big farms with land all over the place are allowed to move massive tonnages by road with impunity: and still they want more!

If I were a haulier paying all the overheads of the transport industry and adhering to strict MOT standards and buying white diesel I would certainly be pushing for these mega large tractor and trailer units to be regulated to the same standards as the haulage industry.

As so often, some farmers are just never happy and always want more.
 
Well said Tarw, and so very true. Deregulated allowance that was supposed to allow farmers to move produce from their fields to the farmstead has been gradually ever abused over the years to the extent that these mega big farms with land all over the place are allowed to move massive tonnages by road with impunity: and still they want more!

If I were a haulier paying all the overheads of the transport industry and adhering to strict MOT standards and buying white diesel I would certainly be pushing for these mega large tractor and trailer units to be regulated to the same standards as the haulage industry.

As so often, some farmers are just never happy and always want more.
Yes, I often talk to the boss of a small haulage company in the pub and he can't believe what some farmers are getting away with. In the autumn he was telling me how his lorries were being held up on a daily basis on one road by tractors hauling spuds more than 40 miles one way for one large farm, as he said this was going on for several weeks on one road or another. And as he went on to say, it wasn't just spuds, they grow a lot of grain, maize beet and carrots, their tractors weren't primarily field machines, they spent the vast majority of their working hours on the road hauling produce.
 

Skimmer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
North Notts
Just had a quick google and a 939 has a max permissible weight of 18 tons. Not sure of weight of slurry but IIRC water is 1 ton per m3 so that would be 32 ton.
Another quick google and I think 32000 litres is as big as they go but I can't find a weight listed, there may be a good reason for that.
Or 1lt water = 1kg
 

Tomtrac

Member
Location
Penrith cumbria
There is one at an AD plant near here carries 32000 litres 3 axle joskins I don't know what it's kerb weight though towed by 939 fendt don't really know what that weighs either.

THAKS
That sounds like the one
It was my brothers lad i will ask him he buck raked on a fendt with a big block on front pluss wheel weights inside and out to compress the maize at a ad plant he worked at he is from cumbria but this was way down south and when it was wet he carted out or in slurry of some kind i said to him and i didnt believe it and he came up with all the weights
As i said i will ask him
It was something like five ton front block three ton either wheel and ten ton tractor = 21 ton
Tanker 6 ton= 27
And thirty sum ton slurry
I no thats only 57 but as i said i will get proper weights of him
 
I'd say your post is rubbish. Name the weighbridge that was calibrated to 65 tons!! They all go into error mode over 50
Or maybe they pulled the tractor / tanker loaded on one end and weighed just the tractor then pulled forward off the bridge with the tractor and weighed just the tanker and added the two tickets together , a bit like a drive over bridge. There is a combination around here rumoured to be over 50 ton gross.
 

cvx175

Member
Location
cumbria
THAKS
That sounds like the one
It was my brothers lad i will ask him he buck raked on a fendt with a big block on front pluss wheel weights inside and out to compress the maize at a ad plant he worked at he is from cumbria but this was way down south and when it was wet he carted out or in slurry of some kind i said to him and i didnt believe it and he came up with all the weights
As i said i will ask him
It was something like five ton front block three ton either wheel and ten ton tractor = 21 ton
Tanker 6 ton= 27
And thirty sum ton slurry
I no thats only 57 but as i said i will get proper weights of him

Tanker would be a good bit more than 6t I have a 14000l joskin and it's nearer 8t so a bigger one will hardly be lighter
 

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