Deere or Fendt

[Finn farmer]

Fiat engine in a fendt !

Second best engine on market nowadays.

 

[Roy_H]

Second best engine on market nowadays.

So what's the first?

 

[Finn farmer]

So what's the first?

Agco Power

 

[Finn farmer]

Everything!!
front/back mo-co’s, forage wagon, 3m combi and front press, 5m cultivator, rolling, tedding, rowing up, haulage, rear discharge muck spreading.
We’ve just a 4 furrow plough, but did have a 5 on demo,it was too big for it, but it was a massive, long plough (Kuhn 153). I’m sure it’ll handle a ‘smaller’ 5 no bother.
It’s also has autosteer which is great!

Kuhn ploughs are a big lump of metal (very good quality lump of metal), Kverneland would be lot lighter. Our 5610 Mf (105hp) handled our 4 furrow MultiMaster 122 pretty well, our Maxxum 135 might be able to handle a 5 furrow version of Kuhn if it would be from the lighter side.

Friend has a Fendt 936 with 6 furrow Kuhn, it can just barely keep its front wheels on ground with feont weight attached.

For the Op. Go for the Fendt. Quality and comfort is better, resale value should be way better and Vario is a better "gear"box than autopower.

 

[nick...]

Why not look at the M spec John Deere’s,will be massivly cheaper and do you really need cvt.another big saving there if you can change gear by yourself
Nick...

 

[James]

There's only one tractor to buy a sisu engine in and that's a valtra . MF don't buy the complete engine from sisu . And the bits MF put on themselves aren't great.

What bits would those be?

 

[bluegreen]

The Fendt 500/ 700s are designed for loader work and come standard with that ghastly high windscreen that I personally hate the appearance of so much, at least that feature would be needed and appreciated on your farm and not an unnecessary option as it is on most every other farm that runs Fendt 700s. I don't imagine a 716 is much longer or heavier than a 516 and probably similar to the 6630 you currently run. A 516 is 160hp but for some reason John Deeres 4 cylinder range peaks at only 130hp (6130)…………..the obvious contender to a 160hp 4 cylinder Fendt in terms of build quality, size, and performance would be Valtras 174N but you don't want to go there so Fendt it is !!

 

[Alwaysworking]

Listen and you might learn something . Can I ask the question why you have chosen to buy either a JD or a fendt. ? And why you ruled out everything else .

Unfortunately this forum is not available in audio so I’ll have to stick with reading as opposed to listening.

James, I’m completely aware of your fondness for Valtra but to be honest I just don’t like the look of them - it’s as simple as that, it’s known as a personal choice.

I like Deere and I like Fendt. I’ve had a number of Deere’s which I’ve been happy with and there are Fendts locally which have given good service.

If you want to tell everyone about Valtra and Sisu engines, please feel free to start a thread where you can discuss them with yourself.
Please have the manners to let the thread which I started stay on topic.

 

[Alwaysworking]

Why not look at the M spec John Deere’s,will be massivly cheaper and do you really need cvt.another big saving there if you can change gear by yourself
Nick...

Had crossed my mind Nick but I’m currently 50km/hr as land is scattered and as far as I know the M are 40km/hr only?
I really want a CVT.....

 

[solo]

A 6155r here is physically to large for a yard tractor. I do have wide tyres which limits steering lock which doesn’t help, but it is not as easy to manoeuvre round older buildings as a 6800 which is similar size to your 66. If doing a lot of loader work the cab is higher than the 6800 so you have another step to climb. It wouldn’t be my choice on a jump on and off loader tractor. Lovely roomy cab for spending the day on fieldwork ,and on wide tyres compaction on top work hasn’t been the issue I was concerned with when I bought it.

 

[Spencer]

Just got a fendt loader here on new tractor. Came factory fitted and build quality/usability with the tractor is great. Would definitely recommend over Alo. Best I can suggest is to get a demo for more than an hour.. Fendts are an operators tractor and it’s only after spending a good few hours in them that you start to appreciate some of the features. If your just dragging silage trailers and a slurry tanker then you probably won’t get the best out of them .. Buy which one YOU want and you’ll be happy

 

[Alwaysworking]

Just got a fendt loader here on new tractor. Came factory fitted and build quality/usability with the tractor is great. Would definitely recommend over Alo. Best I can suggest is to get a demo for more than an hour.. Fendts are an operators tractor and it’s only after spending a good few hours in them that you start to appreciate some of the features. If your just dragging silage trailers and a slurry tanker then you probably won’t get the best out of them .. Buy which one YOU want and you’ll be happy

Would you mind saying the model of tractor and loader?

I saw a new 300 series and Fendt loader in a dealership yesterday, they looked well fitted together and the loader looked really strong. Even the pivoting link arms that run back from the top of the attachment carriage were forged steel as opposed to welded plate.

 

[7610 super q]

Neither. It's time to stop buying over priced German stuff, go buy a JCB Fastrac, or something built in Basildon.

 

[warksfarmer]

Why not look at the M spec John Deere’s,will be massivly cheaper and do you really need cvt.another big saving there if you can change gear by yourself
Nick...

A new 6155M is under £70k. Looked at one before buying a used CVX puma.

 

[Boysground]

@Alwaysworking i think I can give quite a balanced view here as I actually run both Fendt and JD tractors and have done so for a number of years. Currently I have a 724 and 6250R. As well as an old 716 with 16000 hours. I normally price each make when I buy and have tried a number of others.

Both makes are very very good tractors so a few comments...

Fendt is more expensive to buy but cost of ownership is less. My repair bill with JD is higher. The 6250 and 724 have both only done 1000 hours so time will tell but I have had warranty work done on the JD a oil leak in the back end and the drive to the front pto. Not put a spanner on the Fendt

JD warranty is expensive but comprehensive.

Forget JD 750 hour servicing the fuel filters don’t last that long.

Both cvt gearboxes are excellent. Driving them is similar I prefer Fendt but then I do drive it most of the time. Really like JD being able to push forward and go straight to top speed. Lots of options with both to program buttons.

I find the Fendt screen more straight forward. But there’s really not much in it

Both cabs really comfortable. I like the big Fendt windscreen. The big 300 degree wiper is brilliant. Have a hydraulic top link on both, with JD the seat switch is sensitive so when you look round the top link to hitch on the drive cuts out it’s a pain.

Both engines are good no lack of horse power or grunt. Don’t take too much notice of Fendt engine trouble stories on here. I’ve done over 20000 hours driving Fendt tractors and have never touched an engine. We have just done some work on the 716 it was bought second hand for the diet feeder and a sticking valve after 16000 hours is not bad in my book.

The only thing I have ever done to a Fendt gearbox is replace 1 sensor. Did have to rebuild a JD cvt gearbox once.

The best thing you can do is drive both and buy the one you prefer. Whichever you go for it will be the right decision.

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[fred.950]

The best thing fendt could do to improve the engine is fit a sisu or a fpt.

I was led to believe our Fendt has a Sisu engine in it but I must confess I’ve never opened the bonnet

 

[Rob Graham]

Welcome Alwaysworking. Having owned an S4 516 and currently have an S4 718 I hope I can help.
The 2 brands will be hard to choose between, especially since JD have introduced the CommandPro joystick, which I've only sat in but they've copied most of the Fendt functionality. We didn't have a loader on either of ours, but it would be an absolute joy to use on the Fendt, akin to driving a Merlo! For a fair comparison between the 2 ensure you price the CommandPro on the JD. The main difficulty will arise with the 4pot power difference between the 6130 and 516, I can ensure you the 516 will be a punchy performer weighing in at about 6.5t so good power/weight. Handled a 4f Kverneland with full discs and skimmers on some banks quite easily, comfortable with 14t Kane silage trailers and our tanker is only 2000g but was a great combo on tender ground. Feel free to ask me more

 

[Norfolk Olly]

I was led to believe our Fendt has a Sisu engine in it but I must confess I’ve never opened the bonnet

Ours all have deutz engines, good to see the new 900’s have reverted back to MAN as they were excellent and fairly bullet proof in my experience. Our crawler has a sisu engine, third one in 3500 hrs actually ?

 

[Alwaysworking]

Welcome Alwaysworking. Having owned an S4 516 and currently have an S4 718 I hope I can help.
The 2 brands will be hard to choose between, especially since JD have introduced the CommandPro joystick, which I've only sat in but they've copied most of the Fendt functionality. We didn't have a loader on either of ours, but it would be an absolute joy to use on the Fendt, akin to driving a Merlo! For a fair comparison between the 2 ensure you price the CommandPro on the JD. The main difficulty will arise with the 4pot power difference between the 6130 and 516, I can ensure you the 516 will be a punchy performer weighing in at about 6.5t so good power/weight. Handled a 4f Kverneland with full discs and skimmers on some banks quite easily, comfortable with 14t Kane silage trailers and our tanker is only 2000g but was a great combo on tender ground. Feel free to ask me more

Thanks Rob, I may be back to you with questions!!

 

[Gordy1]

I used to be undecided...... now I'm not so sure ?‍