DEFRA liaising with TFF.

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
I think it's a good idea. But my problem is the group that's doing it. They basically just populate one thread on the forum where they like to scoff at conventional farmers methods. I'm not saying what they practice is wrong. There are a lot of merits to there ideas in my opinion.

The majority are being represented by a minority. Its like all arable farmers being represented by a group of organic farmers.

I'm maybe wrong but I believe they will steer government policy to force the rest of us to do what they are doing and believe everyone else should be doing too.

I've several members of the group on ignore. This was before I knew they were in this group.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
This I why ultimately I don’t like State intervention in business. It never ends well. Paying the BPS was one thing, and if we had to have aid it was about as light a touch as possible. Paying us do stuff that certain pressure groups want us to do is a bad idea. I honestly think that encouraging “no till” on some farms will be the next British Leyland.
 

Bill the Bass

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
I think it's a good idea. But my problem is the group that's doing it. They basically just populate one thread on the forum where they like to scoff at conventional farmers methods. I'm not saying what they practice is wrong. There are a lot of merits to there ideas in my opinion.

The majority are being represented by a minority. Its like all arable farmers being represented by a group of organic farmers.

I'm maybe wrong but I believe they will steer government policy to force the rest of us to do what they are doing and believe everyone else should be doing too.

I've several members of the group on ignore. This was before I knew they were in this group


The group, or many of them, are exactly the people who defra are ‘consulting’ with outside of TFF. Defra don’t want to consult, they want an echo chamber to corroborate their position. It’s a hang up from Michael Gove’s days as it is how he consults - come up with an idea then find people who agree with you and consult them.

Im not bothered, defra and government will do what they want, if people want to bolster their ego by spending their time being defra’s gimps it’s their lookout. I’ve better things to do.
 

Pringles

Member
Location
West Fife
The members on here who are singing the praises of the comedy act that have been "talking" to DEFRA are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think that the government are going to suddenly sit up and implement their ideas before those of quangos like RSPB, NE etc.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Seems like a good idea..............








...........will anyone who 'liaises back' be speaking on behalf of the whole forum though???

Just asking for a friend 🙈🙊🙉
Ask your friend if they think there is anyway to get any sort of agreement from the whole forum for anyone to liaise anything back and come back and tell us how they think it can be done if they do think it can be done.
 

Formatted

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
SE
Up until now the only organisation representing British agriculture at Government level has been the NFU

That is wrong and quite insulting. Organisations like the Tenant Farmers Association, the National Sheep Association, the Countryside Landowners Association, Farmers Wildlife Action Group etc etc have been representing farmers in specific groups for decades at a governmental level...
 

Bill the Bass

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
The group, or many of them, are exactly the people who defra are ‘consulting’ with outside of TFF. Defra don’t want to consult, they want an echo chamber to corroborate their position. It’s a hang up from Michael Gove’s days as it is how he consults - come up with an idea then find people who agree with you and consult them.

Im not bothered, defra and government will do what they want, if people want to bolster their ego by spending their time being defra’s gimps it’s their lookout. I’ve better things to do.
As an addition, I don’t necessarily think their ideas are wrong assuming it’s regenerative ag type of stuff, I just don’t see the point in consulting with defra, I saw a few of them at shows this year - nice people, very bright but very little experience of life and farming to be honest.
 

yellowbelly

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
Ask your friend if they think there is anyway to get any sort of agreement from the whole forum for anyone to liaise anything back and come back and tell us how they think it can be done if they do think it can be done.
I just did.
He says, "There's no way it can be done. The only option is to do it in, what has condesendingly been described elsewhere as, 'little groups'."

Working on the principal of ' if you chuck enough sh!t at something, sooner or later some of it will stick', seems to be our only option.

Something is better than nothing, 'cos you can bet your bottom dollar that the likes of NT, RSPB and all the rest will be in there trying to push their agendas.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
I just did.
He says, "There's no way it can be done. The only option is to do it in, what has condesendingly been described elsewhere as, 'little groups'."

Working on the principal of ' if you chuck enough sh!t at something, sooner or later some of it will stick', seems to be our only option.

Something is better than nothing, 'cos you can bet your bottom dollar that the likes of NT, RSPB and all the rest will be in there trying to push their agendas.
Dam I hoped for better news from your friend but they do sound quite wise, little groups representing themselves it is then.
Shame
 

Treg

Member
Location
Cornwall
Wouldn't it be good if there were as many different TFF groups on their consultation list as there are no agricultural groups?

Don't attack the first group, concentrate on being part of the next one.
This^^^ The feed back we've had from the Government has been very positive, they seemed to realise the so called " Traditional" ( of which I am a member) farmer representative groups may not actually be that representative & they appreciate hearing from actual farmers.
Image if several actual farmer groups gave evidence to Efra instead of the usual suspects.
Please start other groups , we can offer advice on getting started + also you will see how hard it is to agree on the wording of some of these documents put forward.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
I just did.
He says, "There's no way it can be done. The only option is to do it in, what has condesendingly been described elsewhere as, 'little groups'."

Working on the principal of ' if you chuck enough sh!t at something, sooner or later some of it will stick', seems to be our only option.

Something is better than nothing, 'cos you can bet your bottom dollar that the likes of NT, RSPB and all the rest will be in there trying to push their agendas.
You don't need agendas

You only need hard facts, and maybe link the science that backs them up .

Even if it's hillbilly science such as what you did and measured or created on your own place(s) with a footnote how crucial your freedom to farm is to that benefit
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
I just don’t see the point in consulting with defra, I saw a few of them at shows this year - nice people, very bright but very little experience of life and farming to be honest.
You have highlighted exactly the point of consulting with DEFRA, they need contacts they can turn to for information because of their lack of real life experience.
You must have noticed on TV news that they have the same guest speaker on every time a certain subject is discussed, they know very little themselves so get the guest speaker along as they have used them in the past and know how to get hold of them. A good example of this is @Daniel off here at times seeming to be the UK's chicken expert, another would be Greta every time climate change is mentioned.
This is how it works so to have a bunch of switched on farmers being the ones that get contacted rather than Monbiot can only be a good thing. If you don't agree with their viewpoint go and get yourself noticed and see if you can be the go to guy.
 

7610 super q

Member
Arable Farmer
Nope, we don't want lots of little groups pushing their own agendas.
One large group pushing the main issues facing the majority...
We want a level playing field. No RT assurance schemes.
A campaign fighting the vegan/ anti livestock climate change nonsense.

One issue, one step at a time.
 

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