DEFRA Sustainable Farm Incentive

[delilah]

As ve said before , I see we are to be encouraged to subsoil and cultivate to alleviate compaction.
Doesnt this go against the wisdom on here, that says soils will right themselves under a no till regime .

We will pay you not to cultivate as it will aid soil structure, but you must cultivate to prevent compaction.
We will pay you to ensure overwinter green cover, but we will pay you more to leave overwinter stubble.

This is taxpayers money, lots of it. Whole thing is a farce.

 

[steveR]

the older farmers are more than likely to remain or at least this one is payments going -pension coming business in a good position,i.e no or little borrowings ,already diversified , having as a tenant farmer looked into the various schemes and more or less thought bo----ks am now looking forward to farming ,what when and how i like back to how it was when starting out as a lad

Don't you believe it, the soil police will be out there watching. Same with the other areas that you think you can do as you please into teh future.

Our Leaders will not give up control that easily I suspect...

 

[steveR]

We will pay you not to cultivate as it will aid soil structure, but you must cultivate to prevent compaction.
We will pay you to ensure overwinter green cover, but we will pay you more to leave overwinter stubble.

This is taxpayers money, lots of it. Whole thing is a farce.

Sounds a lot like MOD procurement with no joined up thinking.

 

[E_B]

In fairness to them, the requirement to subsoil is only to alleviate areas of compaction. This is a minor aspect of the scheme, in comparison to the requirement to use minimal cultivations on a varying proportion of your land.

 

[DrWazzock]

We have done what’s necessary for years. We will carry on doing it. Why the need for constant interference? I was reading a book about soil management the other night written in the 1970’s. Nothing has changed. It was all known 50 years ago. Direct drilling, subsoiling, cultivation. Nothing new. But because some folks have just learned about it they feel the need to tell everybody likes it’s a revolution. Nothing new under the sun.

 

[4course]

Don't you believe it, the soil police will be out there watching. Same with the other areas that you think you can do as you please into teh future.

Our Leaders will not give up control that easily I suspect...

if not joining any scheme would think other than complying with the law cant see too much interference, unless by the back door of rt

 

[steveR]

if not joining any scheme would think other than complying with the law cant see too much interference, unless by the back door of rt

"They" will find a way....

 

[4course]

I cannot see how a tenant farmer would be bothered with the scheme in its current form nor why any owner occupier would go down a route that effectively reduces the value of his property. I discussed this with a defra guy at the yorkshire show that a payment that is below the rent for the land plus the costs of the relevant measures and the other shared (so called f.c] is effectively a cost to be added to the rent on the remaining productive acres ,from his response I dont think theve got a bloody clue

 

[Old apprentice]

We have done what’s necessary for years. We will carry on doing it. Why the need for constant interference? I was reading a book about soil management the other night written in the 1970’s. Nothing has changed. It was all known 50 years ago. Direct drilling, subsoiling, cultivation. Nothing new. But because some folks have just learned about it they feel the need to tell everybody likes it’s a revolution. Nothing new under the sun.

A bit like every generation that comes think they have invented sex ,
.

 

[SilliamWhale]

As ve said before , I see we are to be encouraged to subsoil and cultivate to alleviate compaction.
Doesnt this go against the wisdom on here, that says soils will right themselves under a no till regime .

Its not that soils will "right" themselves but if you don't create the compaction in the first place you rarely need to alleviate compaction. There are occassions when I subsoil but I'm still a total sceptic on it.

You tell me if you've just grown a good crop why you need to "decompact" the soil for the next one?