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Sort of a déjà vu feeling
Danllan, it has absolutely nothing to do with being reasonable. Europe must give us a hard time over Brexit pour encourager les autres.
If we get a nice, happy, reasonable deal then the EU collapses inside a year.
We will be taken from behind without benefit of lubrication or the courtesy of a reach-around.
Reasonable is just a value judgement. What is reasonable to one is unreasonable to another for perfectly good reasons on both sides. I don't think the have your cake and eat brigade will square the brexit circle. The UK cannot leave and retain the benefits of membership, a transitional period makes no sense really, far better to take any hit now and move on. The Tories just don't want the associated political pain that's all.
We have to have a transitional period to rebuild all the agencies we left the EU to control for the last 40 years, to build all these extra customs border posts for when we become a 3rd country and so on and so onReasonable is just a value judgement. What is reasonable to one is unreasonable to another for perfectly good reasons on both sides. I don't think the have your cake and eat brigade will square the brexit circle. The UK cannot leave and retain the benefits of membership, a transitional period makes no sense really, far better to take any hit now and move on. The Tories just don't want the associated political pain that's all.
Well you said it yourself! Why should the EU "concede" anything to the U.K.? You are perfectly well aware that trade deals with the European Union take many years to negotiate. Why should the Europeans do a trade deal with the U.K. if they don't want to? We had a trade deal that has just been torn up. Why would the eu reward such an action with another deal. Despite the leave campaign's lies to the contrary this was always going to be the case.
Incidentally I would never make the error of representing myself. Lawyers can charge extortionate fees for good reason.
I doubt the kippers will ever be ready to take any responsibility.We have to have a transitional period to rebuild all the agencies we left the EU to control for the last 40 years, to build all these extra customs border posts for when we become a 3rd country and so on and so on
No obfuscation, 'shared' is a world in common legal parlance both in the domestic and international fields; why, even the EU uses it, so must think it a good thing. If you need a good example of 'obfuscation' i.e. obscuring the meaning of something, you'll find no better than the EU's own substitution of the word 'competence' for 'sovereignty'. No contradiction of my summing up of the EU's intentions and goals?I didn't miss your question. Your use of the word "shared" is a typical piece of obfuscation. You were correct first time in trade deals "concessions" are made by both sides. I think it unreasonable to expect any concessions from the EU given we have just torn up our existing arrangements. In the long run it will be the aim of the EU to out compete the U.K. all areas.
I doubt the kippers will ever be ready to take any responsibility.
Well, they had forty years of tutorials from Brussels. Still no critique of my summing up if the EU's intentions and goals, your silence speaks volumes...The leave campaign has provided me with enough examples of obfuscation to last a lifetime thanks.
Getting there, getting there... I think you have misunderstood me though, I don't expect the EU to be reasonable, but I did hope that would be the case. We are in complete agreement regarding unilateral action; for myself, I would see our walking away from the current (non)'negotiations'. Unless our Government roll over to the EU - unlikely as it is currently composed, but still possible - the 'no deal' option is looking both increasingly more realistic / inevitable and preferable.Your being unreasonable to expect the EU to "share" anything with the U.K. in the current circumstances.
Better to move forward unilaterally. Is that clear enough?
No, I did not say that; I think they are better than any possible current alternative. I do think that they should be presenting a far more unified and positive face. Are you British and living in the UK?We are agreed then the government are a shambles.
yes those that govern or so called govern the EU are indeed a shamblesWe are agreed then the government are a shambles.
What do you make of Teresa Mays "speech"? Ken Clarke seemed to think it was OK,or better than he expected.No, I did not say that; I think they are better than any possible current alternative. I do think that they should be presenting a far more unified and positive face. Are you British and living in the UK?