Deutz 8280 - The worse purchase of my life!!!

Mur Huwcun

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North West Wales
Well the paint hasn't fallen off it like a real Italian tractor, and I'm bloody sure the build plate says Lauingen Germany on it. I'll have to double check in the morning though.
What model have you got? A lot of the smaller Agrotron based tractors were and are assembled in Italy
 

DrDunc

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Dunsyre
Trailers have been on a rolling road and meet HGV spec not BAGMA. They stop the tractors. These tractors are so unreliable it’s untrue
It's simple:

Have the tractors been bought on hire purchase?

If yes, and the dealer can't provide assurances of good repair and if necessary, modification, you tell the HP company you wish to reject the tractors as unsuitable for the purpose for which they were sold. Let their lawyers kick the ball rolling with trading standards, and fight it out with the dealer. They will then, I assure you, immediately start screaming at Deutz UK for help

You need to be damn sure that you or your operators are not at fault in any way for the breakdowns. The dealer must be given "reasonable" time to conduct repairs to a satisfactory standard (i.e. get to the bottom of what's causing the problems, fix them with modifications so that they don't happen again, and do it all like they know what they're doing)

Had to go through this myself with a new gearbox design on a tractor that hadn't received enough fettling before launch

Again, you need to be certain of your knowledge of the failure modes, or the Deutz engineers will run rings around your theories and blame abuse
 

box

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Livestock Farmer
Location
NZ
What model have you got? A lot of the smaller Agrotron based tractors were and are assembled in Italy
Iron 150. I just checked the plate again, at the top on one side it says something along the lines of "Made by SAME Deutz Fahr Treviglio Italy etc etc" with a big SAME logo in the middle, then on the other side it says "Lauingen Germany".

Built (and painted) in Germany and assembled in Italy maybe?
 

quavers

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Location
aberdeenshire
Iron 150. I just checked the plate again, at the top on one side it says something along the lines of "Made by SAME Deutz Fahr Treviglio Italy etc etc" with a big SAME logo in the middle, then on the other side it says "Lauingen Germany".

Built (and painted) in Germany and assembled in Italy maybe?
deutz agrotron with a different bonnet built in germany that range
 
Iron 150. I just checked the plate again, at the top on one side it says something along the lines of "Made by SAME Deutz Fahr Treviglio Italy etc etc" with a big SAME logo in the middle, then on the other side it says "Lauingen Germany".

Built (and painted) in Germany and assembled in Italy maybe?
SDF Same Deutz Fhar is based in Germany that’s where the parts come from
Not sure where they are assembled
The gearbox and axles and drive train are ZF
 
Well the aircon doesn't work so it's a Deutz at heart :)
The bother I had with the gearbox was in the power shift part of the box. Not the actual gearbox itself. Parts are very expensive I think a gearbox casing and a forward/reverse shaft with a few bits and pieces was £6500 I rang Germany and they discounted the parts down to £3000. ZF would probably do the parts cheaper but the trouble is trying to get a cross reference for the numbers. The ZF numbers on the gearbox cross reference to SDF. Probably not allowed to sell them direct.
Deutz Hurlinann Same use the same box
 

Shep

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It's amazing how people have such different experiences with various brands of equipment, worst for me was claas and Lely who would generally regarded as top notch companies to deal with.
Meanwhile I've had great success with Deutz tractors, on my third in 13 years putting on fairly big hours, still have the first one and I can honestly say it has been the best tractor I've ever owned and I had a Valtra before that.
Another surprise is JLR not for reliability, but super backup out of warranty. Which is not a common thing you would hear about Jaguar cars.
Funny old world.
 
Bearing failure?
No the f/r shaft fits into the gearbox casing and wears away the casing and itself. Two oil ports in the end of the shaft and casing pressurise oil one port for forward and one reverse. Wear means it won’t drive forward or backwards properly when oil gets hot as it leaks through past piston rings on shaft and pressurises both packs of a fashion
Common fault even newer ones are doing it 10/15 years later after modifications
 
It's amazing how people have such different experiences with various brands of equipment, worst for me was claas and Lely who would generally regarded as top notch companies to deal with.
Meanwhile I've had great success with Deutz tractors, on my third in 13 years putting on fairly big hours, still have the first one and I can honestly say it has been the best tractor I've ever owned and I had a Valtra before that.
Another surprise is JLR not for reliability, but super backup out of warranty. Which is not a common thing you would hear about Jaguar cars.
Funny old world.
Yes it all depends how it goes I think
 

milton-95

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Location
aberdeenshire
Large farm near here runs all Deutz tractors and gets on fine with them.

Have a good dealer in Angus. Alfie Ray.

@milton-95 is a loyal deutz customer too.

Large farm near here runs all Deutz tractors and gets on fine with them.

Have a good dealer in Angus. Alfie Ray.

@milton-95 is a loyal deutz customer too.

Yeah can't fault them too much here, of the 3 we've had they've had they're problems, but no more than any other brand is say. Niggly problems mostly .

@Shitshifter are you sure the brake failure is caused by oil cavitation and not the seals on top of the trumpets where the brake actuator is ?
 

Finn farmer

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Deutz, 2, lucky to have one moderately expensive repair and lots of pita repairs, you only suffer bad residuals for one day.
Dad's friend has a 2004 Agrotron(?) that has been trouble free for over 8000h. It's worth next to nothing as a trade in and nobody really wants it, but for the money paid in 2004 it's probably been quite cheap to run regardless of poor residual value. They seem great, one of my friends that runs Deere rates Deutz's comfort and usability very high.

Deutz has been in decline after 2004's dealer changes, it made a smallish comeback in 2019 when it went to a good dealer, but still sales are poor, somewhere around 5% of the market.
 

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