Deutz agrotron M600

The highway

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Hi all, happy new year

Recently purchased our second deutz at a roup. We have an agrotron 150.6 09 plate, excellent machine with very little repair bill.
We found this tractor (m600) quite cheap with low hours quite rough around the edges. (4200 hrs 58 plate)
It’s been on an estate all her life and laterly hadn’t turned a wheel in 5 years.
When we got her home the dashboard was goosed, but it’s been sent away repaired and now working.
I’ve a catolugue of errors coming up now on my dashboard :
Tractor controller not connected
Elctrovalve 4wd short circuiting
Diff lock short circuiting
Draft pins grounding
Sensor 8v supply not valid
Pto valve grounding
Suspension load sense valve grounding short circuit.

As I say it’s a spare tractor and I feel we got it cheap so willing to give her a chance.
Anyone got tips?
I’ve had it on plough just for an hour, seems quite dour.
Are the m series anything like the series before?

Regards the highwayman
 

feilding

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Mixed Farmer
Location
At Home
Try and get a dealer to put the software from a M620 into it with M+ software, then it will be a pocket rocket. M600 and M620 are the same tractors under the badge number just different software.
 
Mmmn many things causing grief....I’d say “snap” for connectors, in general. Especially multi-pin multi-way connectors under / to from the cab. Pull them apart and check for any signs of corrosion, or moisture ingress, spray with a contact cleaner/moisture displacer. Reconnect one at a time and re-test.

Check battery voltage and drop/load test it. Ditto check the alternator is healthy and putting out a good charge.
 

MrNuts

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Try and get a dealer to put the software from a M620 into it with M+ software, then it will be a pocket rocket. M600 and M620 are the same tractors under the badge number just different software.
M+ is a change of two ECU's to achieve, one of them can be reprogramed, M+ gave the tractor speed matching and the allowed the transmission to talk to the engine requesting more power, the M600 is a different animal to the M620 and M+ software will no make them the same.
 

BigBarl

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Arable Farmer
Location
South Notts
notoriously gutless. Our M620 has never pulled well, we put a chip on it but that just made it hot - very little performance difference so we leave it turned off.
 

MrNuts

Member
What about remapping it?

That may help but there are two fundamental issues with the M600 of that vintage, does it still have the "big" turbo, some were changed by SDF but a lot were not, if it does chances are remapping won't make it much better, and the design of the engine in 2 valves means it have mechanical gas re-circulation and set up as such it means it recirculates 5% of the gas when cold and this makes it VERY lazy when cold and the response is poor. Plus its a heavy tractor for 120hp.

The M600 wasn't a popular model because the M620 was only a couple of grand more when new.
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
Our M+ 620, is sluggish to say the least too. Certainly wouldn't describe it as a pocket rocket!

We had a demo m620, it had a tuneit chip on it from dealers!

Ours constantly shows tractor controller not connected error code but runs fine.
 
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That is a massive over simplification of what the M+ upgrade involved. Much more than a "remap"
I like simple. Grossly or massively over simple is even better ;)

If you physically swap an ECU or change it’s operating software then surely that’s a remap, no? You are changing the operating parameters of the engine (and in this case transmission) but otherwise is anything mechanical or physical changed as part of the M+ upgrade?

I’m not seeking to belittle or big up the M+ upgrade, just (simply) distinguishing it from a mechanical upgrade or component swap.
 

DrDunc

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Dunsyre
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MrNuts

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I like simple. Grossly or massively over simple is even better ;)

If you physically swap an ECU or change it’s operating software then surely that’s a remap, no? You are changing the operating parameters of the engine (and in this case transmission) but otherwise is anything mechanical or physical changed as part of the M+ upgrade?

I’m not seeking to belittle or big up the M+ upgrade, just (simply) distinguishing it from a mechanical upgrade or component swap.

The Transmission ECU is changed for a new one and the was reprogrammed by SDF UK, mechanically the same apart from the aforementioned turbo change, "remap" is a term used for unofficial changes to engine ecu's, as opposed to sanctioned changes, maybe a bit pedantic.
 

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