Deutz agrotron M600

[Pheasant Surprise]

"remap" is a term used for unofficial changes to engine ecu's, as opposed to sanctioned changes, maybe a bit pedantic.

You are in pedant mode 12 out of 10 my friend

So, if not re-mapping, what is the correct terminology for an official or sanctioned change or update to the software on an ECU called?

 

[Jim B]

MrNuts knows the score

The ECU change with M+ helped with take off torque and gave speed matching in 4th and 5th IIRC.

I’d stick a Steinbauer tuning box on it to make it perform. 620s and 640s fly with them on! Some of the cheaper ones do achieve much.

Error codes as before, sounds like connectors and or bad earths? May need a dealer with a technician that knows what he’s doing and an all round tester to help sort them all?

 

[The highway]

Thanks for the replys. That’s her dropped off at my mechanic to get the once over. She’s a 40k box with it shutting down the revs in top gear? Is there away to lose this feature and give it some more speed?

How much would a steinbaur tuning box cost?

Thanks

 

[DrDunc]

Thanks for the replys. That’s her dropped off at my mechanic to get the once over. She’s a 40k box with it shutting down the revs in top gear? Is there away to lose this feature and give it some more speed?

How much would a steinbaur tuning box cost?

Thanks

The top speed is easily turned up to 50k if you've a friendly mechanic with an "all round tester", which is the name for the Deutz diagnostic computer.

It's just a software restriction easily removed provided the tractor has front suspension (think it was standard in the UK spec m series?).

Deutz 50k tractors were never sold with front axle brakes, instead just relying upon the rears and 4wd to do the job. The pedal might need a good stamp, but the multi discs on the back end work well and only ever give bother if the handbrake linkage sticks and they drag (it is common problem on them mind). They don't tend to wear out unless given serious abuse that would've long since wore out other makes who only fit a single brake disc.

Local contractor had steinbauer on his m620. Don't know cost, but he'd turned his up until it was coal that came out of the exhaust. Would've been over 200hp at the shaft. Used it mainly for road hauling 20 tonne loads of chicken manure. Crankshaft eventually snapped at about 8000 hours

Gearbox never gave any bother though

 

[The highway]

Yeah this one has front suspension, I’m based in Aberdeenshire and I’m speaking to JM tuning to do the the remapping, using derv doc. He says he can’t do anything about the speed however. Quoting me about £600 to open it from 10-50hp more.
Thanks

 

[Stan Hay]

Connectors in the rear mudguards would be worth a check

Definately check these. I had the dubious honour of owning a Same iron 130 which I believe is an orange m600.
The linkage buttons on rear mudguard would collect water and cause its little brain to go mental.
Owned some rubbish tractors this one took the biscuit.

 

[Chae1]

I'd recommend turning the suspension off on road. Ours is much better with it turned off. Feels like steering all over the place with it on.

@quattro Aberdeenshire Deutz dealer.

 

[Yale]

I'd recommend turning the suspension off on road. Ours is much better with it turned off. Feels like steering all over the place with it on.

@quattro Aberdeenshire Deutz dealer.

That’s interesting.

 

[nowtofajob]

I had an m610 with no suspension years ago and it was shocking on the road,could hardly stay in the seat for being bounced around. Had water in the mudguard buttons to. Reliable tractor though.

 

[njneer]

I would suggest you have wear in the suspension linkage bushes.
The geometry of the linkage is such that as it raises and lowers the axle pivots towards and away from the tractor . If you have worn bushes ,and one side is more worn than the other, as the suspension works on the road and the axle raises and lowers and pivots if one side moves even slightly further forward or back than the other side then it will cause the tractor to want to steer to one side which causes you to have to correct all the time and cause the wandering.
Get it checked because if the bushes in the ram ends wear to excess when the suspension is turned off and it sits down onto the end of the stroke of the rams the axle tucks up into he front bolster further than. Normal and can foul on the crankshaft pulley.

 

[feilding]

I'd recommend turning the suspension off on road. Ours is much better with it turned off. Feels like steering all over the place with it on.

@quattro Aberdeenshire Deutz dealer.

My M620 was like a boundary castle when I had it. It was on continental tyres. Changed to BKT tyres and its smooth. I hear a lot of tractors on continental tyres had the same problem.. what tyres do you have on yours.

 

[Chae1]

My M620 was like a boundary castle when I had it. It was on continental tyres. Changed to BKT tyres and its smooth. I hear a lot of tractors on continental tyres had the same problem.. what tyres do you have on yours.

Continentals.

 

[nosmokenopoke]

I’ve a steinbauer box for a 150 I no longer have. Take it this wouldn’t work on the 600?

 

[Thomas5060]

I’ve a steinbauer box for a 150 I no longer have. Take it this wouldn’t work on the 600?

Not sure but if you consider selling it pm me, my mate might by it to sort his 150 out, flat as a pancake

 

[feilding]

Continentals.

that could be the problem then. I sold my continentals off the tractor at 100 hrs. to have BKTs. best move I ever made. at full speed its smother than a car on road.

 

[feilding]

Thanks for the replys. That’s her dropped off at my mechanic to get the once over. She’s a 40k box with it shutting down the revs in top gear? Is there away to lose this feature and give it some more speed?

How much would a steinbaur tuning box cost?

Thanks

all zf trans axels are actually 60k boxes on m series but controlled by the ECU for speed. 40k or 50k. the 50k ones will do over that. my M620 does 55k standard tune and pulls like a train.

 

[MrNuts]

all zf trans axels are actually 60k boxes on m series but controlled by the ECU for speed. 40k or 50k. the 50k ones will do over that. my M620 does 55k standard tune and pulls like a train.

Be carefull as the prop shaft isn't balanced and could fail at that speed, for the M series to change the forward speed you will need a code from SDF UK, the K series didn't need this code.

 

[Chae1]

all zf trans axels are actually 60k boxes on m series but controlled by the ECU for speed. 40k or 50k. the 50k ones will do over that. my M620 does 55k standard tune and pulls like a train.

Interesting. Wonder why pulls like a train standard and they were chipping demo tractors. What year is yours? Ours 2010

 

[feilding]

Interesting. Wonder why pulls like a train standard and they were chipping demo tractors. What year is yours? Ours 2010

mine 2010.
SDF put M+ on it at 2yr old when I bought it with 800ish hrs on it in 2012. been on dyno and pushing 156 hp at shaft.which is plenty for me.

 

[MrNuts]

mine 2010.
SDF put M+ on it at 2yr old when I bought it with 800ish hrs on it in 2012. been on dyno and pushing 156 hp at shaft.which is plenty for me.

Thats chipped or remapped, should be doing 140-145hp on the PTO