Deutz/Case/McCormick

[Orionn4444]

Changing tractors and wondering what people's thoughts are on the above 3 brands?

6 series deutz RCShift
Case Maxxum Active Drive8
X7 McCormick (can't remember name of new gearbox)

All priced similarly (although spec does vary somewhat) and good dealers all round!

Pulling what's left of my hair out trying to decide!

Running a Landini at the moment (same as McCormick)

Not a chance in the Clyde of looking at Deere/Fendt/Agco...no reason other than personal preference!

TL;DR
Opinions on the above three brands.

 

[nowtofajob]

Ive ordered a new deutz 6155 RC shift to replace a deutz 6150 with 4500 hours on which has been no trouble. Heard good things about the RC shift. Not saying theres anything wrong with case or mccormick though.

 

[DrDunc]

But but but, why have you ignored the best?

 

[Victor]

the better looking of the three imo
Im very pleased with it
New one still good on fuel

 

[early riser]

Not fancying another Landini then?

 

[awkward]

I'm liking the new x7460 standard. no fancy arm rest everything neatly in side console. or the deutz g series again lower speck. but in the long run a safer bet for a techno fobe like myself

 

[Daniel]

But but but, why have you ignored the best?

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You've changed your tune.

 

[Orionn4444]

Not fancying another Landini then?

McCormick are identical to Landini

Seems to be deutz is the more popular one

 

[BDBed]

Deutz are a very underrated tractor! I have three Deutz of various ages and a Case. I bought the Case because I couldn't find the Deutz I wanted. Nothing wrong with the case but I will aim to have a a Deutz next time I change one.

 

[Orionn4444]

But but but, why have you ignored the best?

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Don't need a tedder right now

 

[DrDunc]

You've changed your tune.

No chance of that yet, but somebody had to start the usual tff "oh you don't want do that" pointless posts Had a cmatic class on demo two years ago. Lovely Vario, awful engine, nice cab and controls, huge big numb beast overall.

My wee loader tractor sowing winter barley on ground with bits so steep that trying to walk up it you were puffing like a sixty a day smoker.

Deutz worked fine on it with 400 kg of front bolster weights!

Case is a wee tractor made to look big.

Deutz 4 cylinder is a big tractor made into something compact, manoeuvrable, and agile.

Deutz has proper pressure oil fed multidisc brakes, case has brakes that are the legal minimum requirement, and will wear out, not if, but when.

Deutz new gearbox is 54 forward speed with the simplest most intuitive set up I've ever seen for auto gear shift, selecting start off gears, selecting which gears it will shift between, and has dual cruise control speeds making this the nearest to a full Vario on the market without the inefficiencies associated with hydraulic pump gearboxes for haulage work.

Case has 24 gears, but only 17 ratios due to the range overlaps. Doesn't have cruise speeds, can't user define which ratios it will auto shift between, keeps changing its mind which start off gears to use, all because the software hasn't been written yet. They're using new customers as their beta testers

Case is longer, lifts significantly less front and rear and has correspondingly lighter axles and weaker castings.

If memory serves correctly the case has evolved from the new Holland 100hp ish TS series? A lightweight stockman's tractor that's been turned into a big barge for field work. Deutz is a heavyweight arable tractor that's also compact and nimble enough to be a yard loader (which my wee one with 150hp at the shaft shows). Vision out of the Deutz is still the best on the market even though you now see a front bonnet (my loader tractor you look down onto the front implement with no bonnet to impede your view, it's nearly as good on the new models).

Deutz controls are all ergonomically placed and intuitive to operate so that you rarely have to look at what you need to press. Case has lots of identical buttons scattered all over the armrest that require you to look at even after years of use (though to be fair the case layout is a huge improvement over the new Holland t6 sidewinder swamp).

Deutz comes standard with things like 4 speed PTO, auto PTO, auto axle and diff control with full locking front full 4wd, creeper gearbox 9.7t rear lift, 160 l/min oil flow from 120l ccls pump and separate 40l/min for steering and gearbox, 14 work lights,... Case either has them as options or you can't even spec the standard Deutz features on it.

Advantage of the case? A few thousand less to buy and 100 hours more between services? Regular gearbox software updates because they still haven't finished writing the damn thing? Offset against lower productivity, capability, and higher repair costs?

So my choice would be the green one, but what do I know, I'm just an engineer who likes things designed, developed, and built properly. I'm not a proper farmer

(I'd also put loader brackets on the Deutz but not the case)

 

[Canada Farmer]

You've changed your tune.

Now look at what you have started....

 

[DrDunc]

Now look at what you have started....

 

[Daniel]

No chance of that yet, but somebody had to start the usual tff "oh you don't want do that" pointless posts Had a cmatic class on demo two years ago. Lovely Vario, awful engine, nice cab and controls, huge big numb beast overall.

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My wee loader tractor sowing winter barley on ground with bits so steep that trying to walk up it you were puffing like a sixty a day smoker.

Deutz worked fine on it with 400 kg of front bolster weights!

Case is a wee tractor made to look big.

Deutz 4 cylinder is a big tractor made into something compact, manoeuvrable, and agile.

Deutz has proper pressure oil fed multidisc brakes, case has brakes that are the legal minimum requirement, and will wear out, not if, but when.

Deutz new gearbox is 54 forward speed with the simplest most intuitive set up I've ever seen for auto gear shift, selecting start off gears, selecting which gears it will shift between, and has dual cruise control speeds making this the nearest to a full Vario on the market without the inefficiencies associated with hydraulic pump gearboxes for haulage work.

Case has 24 gears, but only 17 ratios due to the range overlaps. Doesn't have cruise speeds, can't user define which ratios it will auto shift between, keeps changing its mind which start off gears to use, all because the software hasn't been written yet. They're using new customers as their beta testers

Case is longer, lifts significantly less front and rear and has correspondingly lighter axles and weaker castings.

If memory serves correctly the case has evolved from the new Holland 100hp ish TS series? A lightweight stockman's tractor that's been turned into a big barge for field work. Deutz is a heavyweight arable tractor that's also compact and nimble enough to be a yard loader (which my wee one with 150hp at the shaft shows). Vision out of the Deutz is still the best on the market even though you now see a front bonnet (my loader tractor you look down onto the front implement with no bonnet to impede your view, it's nearly as good on the new models).

Deutz controls are all ergonomically placed and intuitive to operate so that you rarely have to look at what you need to press. Case has lots of identical buttons scattered all over the armrest that require you to look at even after years of use (though to be fair the case layout is a huge improvement over the new Holland t6 sidewinder swamp).

Deutz comes standard with things like 4 speed PTO, auto PTO, auto axle and diff control with full locking front full 4wd, creeper gearbox 9.7t rear lift, 160 l/min oil flow from 120l ccls pump and separate 40l/min for steering and gearbox, 14 work lights,... Case either has them as options or you can't even spec the standard Deutz features on it.

Advantage of the case? A few thousand less to buy and 100 hours more between services? Regular gearbox software updates because they still haven't finished writing the damn thing? Offset against lower productivity, capability, and higher repair costs?

So my choice would be the green one, but what do I know, I'm just an engineer who likes things designed, developed, and built properly. I'm not a proper farmer

(I'd also put loader brackets on the Deutz but not the case)

Did you mention the suspension and air suspended cab are very smooth?!

Minor ergonomic quibble, the button to change gearbox from manual to automatic is hidden under the armrest which is annoying.

The RTK has been troublesome, constantly dropping signal, can't quite be sure yet if it's hardware, software, signal provider or a combination of all 3. Really want it sorted before drilling starts.

The RC shift is a very clever bit of kit, but it needs setting up right in the menus in terms of setting the lowest gear you want it to drop down to etc. Otherwise its easy to stall pulling away from a junction. It does seem to stall easily, modern engines won't lug down below about 1400rpm, this week sub-soiling with the gearbox in manual mode it was very easy to stall it if you hit a tough patch.

I don't think this is a Deutz engine thing particularly, our other two main tractors are CVT and when the going gets tough they just rev the engine to hide the lack of low end grunt, and of course the engine is never allowed to stall by the electronic overlord.

Overall though pleased so far.

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

New Case CVX if you can do it, might actually be cheaper than the active drive 8. I love my current 130 and can't wait for the day I can have a 145.

Everything is right where you want it with the Multicontroller, so easy to use.

 

[Deutzdx3]

Anothe vote for deutz. Don’t have a new one but for ergonomics and reliability they are great. As already said, very under rated tractor. Good luck with what ever you get.

 

[Still Farming]

But but but, why have you ignored the best?

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Don't know someone posted that instead??

 

[Daniel]

New Case CVX if you can do it, might actually be cheaper than the active drive 8. I love my current 130 and can't wait for the day I can have a 145.

Everything is right where you want it with the Multicontroller, so easy to use.

The multicontroller for the CVX gearbox on a Case is superb.

 

[Orionn4444]

Won't be going cvx due to an abundance of road work now have all three final quotes in, not much between them, waiting on one final demo next week, hopefully that will help with the decision making

 

[Victor]

Won't be going cvx due to an abundance of road work now have all three final quotes in, not much between them, waiting on one final demo next week, hopefully that will help with the decision making

What demos have you had so far?