Deutz Fahr TTV 430 Problem Help Please

ajc606

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Your obviously hacked off by what's happened but in all honesty that'll be about right to fix if I work it back to uk money I wouldn't expect any less .

I've seen tractors in local dealers in as many pieces to fit a 50p circlip into a gearbox it's just the way it is now not much easy to fix
Yes got not much opinion but to fix
I just pee'd off belive this should never of happened at this hours
Maybe 3000 or 3500hr understandable
 

KB6930

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Yes got not much opinion but to fix
I just pee'd off belive this should never of happened at this hours
Maybe 3000 or 3500hr understandable
It shouldn't happen at any hours but unfortunately for you you now gave a 10yr old tractor that has done less hours than I do in 1 year so you'll have very little chance of any manufacturer help when it comes to fixing any problem
 

ajc606

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No idea about that most of your bill will be labour tho it's the same here.

Your man in the van maybe could have fixed it but if it was something different that he didn't know about then it could've ended up costing you a LOT more money
Maybe but I doubt it as has access to import company which bringing parts genuine parts at reasonable prices
 

ajc606

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It shouldn't happen at any hours but unfortunately for you you now gave a 10yr old tractor that has done less hours than I do in 1 year so you'll have very little chance of any manufacturer help when it comes to fixing any problem
Yes I know just had so many stupid problems from brand new totally unrelated to operating
like lights back of dash not working. you can’t just replace a bulb oh know you need whole new dash for $3000
 

box

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you can’t just replace a bulb oh know you need whole new dash for $3000
Ring John Whitehead Electrical on 07 843 1446, they should be able to fix the dash.

23k+ gst......yikes. Nothing lasts forever etc, but at 1900 hours I'd expect the dealer to be helping out in some way, especially if it's the same dealer that sold it to you and serviced it.

Oh well. The real question is will you be keeping the tractor after it's repaired?
 

ajc606

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Ring John Whitehead Electrical on 07 843 1446, they should be able to fix the dash.

23k+ gst......yikes. Nothing lasts forever etc, but at 1900 hours I'd expect the dealer to be helping out in some way, especially if it's the same dealer that sold it to you and serviced it.

Oh well. The real question is will you be keeping the tractor after it's repaired?
Will have to now for bit anyway till I find something else
Funny they want me to buy another one yeah right
 

ajc606

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Will have to now for bit anyway till I find something else
Funny they want me to buy another one yeah right
I was told dash unit was a sealed unit and whole thing had to be replaced so are just living with it but will check out that Electrial person cheers for that
 

ajc606

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So you don't go away misinformed....SAME tractors before Power Farming were distributed by Dan Cosgrove, while Deutz were distributed by Landpower -until they shifted to Claas and the franchise became available. Claiming that your man in the van had experience of a product that is ten years old and which was only brought as two examples of the model to NZ is quite frankly a little bit of a silly statement. Does he have the latest SDF diagnostic equipment? If he is the one who correctly diagnosed the problem, why didn't you get him to repair the tractor.. after all its only an o ring and some clutch plates? Why do you think age has nothing to do with a tractor?.....the adjuster on the drop arm of my 1959 old grey fergie has just failed, doesn't do very many hours, but I don't expect AGCO to fix it!!! Why don't you go back and ask the dealer that sold you tractor to fix it, because you say that they were good buggers until they were undercut and squeezed out?.... In the real world, brands change importers and businesses change brands all the time........expecting a dealer to fix something after 10 years is a pipe dream, but just think how lucky you've been, considering that in your expert opinion an o ring was badly fitted, but managed to last 10 years!!!
Re your Ferguson arm if there is a manufacturer flaw in arm say air bubble in casing and arm broke then yes I believe that company should replace arm!!
Would you not agree??
 

feilding

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All makes of tractors have problems at any age or hrs. I've seen some pulled apart a very low hrs.
I've been using Deutz Fahr tractors since 2004 myself and driven other people's tractors of all makes.
My conclusion is Deutz are more reliable than most other makes of tractor from my experience, some makes I would never even consider owning due to poor quality .
 

ajc606

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Livestock Farmer
All makes of tractors have problems at any age or hrs. I've seen some pulled apart a very low hrs.
I've been using Deutz Fahr tractors since 2004 myself and driven other people's tractors of all makes.
My conclusion is Deutz are more reliable than most other makes of tractor from my experience, some makes I would never even consider owning due to poor quality .
Yes also some models of a particular years can be outstanding in any brand of tractor
Glad you having a great run with your tractors
With all the stupid problems and run I have had has totally put me off Deutz for another example
When tractor new possibly around 200hrs I was doing grader blading work and stabilising brackets on tractor steel started cracking up so when I showed power farming they just said I must be rough and never happened to any other tractor etc etc so got them to weld and strengthen up $400 worth
Then hello about a year later phone call they going around replacing brackets under warranty on all this model tractor because other peoples were breaking around the world and because the original brackets were made from a low steel !
Did they then admit to me that I was not rough (which I am most definitely not when I have another tractor with 6000hr a different brand and when service men come to that they always say that is the tidiest tractor so that model and age they see)
No they didn’t admit I not rough or reimburse me for the strengthening cost I had to do!
To me it seems a common theme (not just to me!) any thing going wrong there go to Is you rough
And also appears that they keep certain things secret or only in house as if they hiding things?
Obviously these things I say are only my opinions and experiences
Maybe my tractor was made up from the parts that got dropped on factory floor and swept up at night lol
 

box

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Maybe my tractor was made up from the parts that got dropped on factory floor and swept up at night lol
Yes, then assembled on a Friday afternoon at 4:55pm :unsure:

If you can, get some photos of the o-ring/clutch packs and the broken/welded brackets and post them up on this thread for future reference in case someone has the same problems. It's amazing how much of this stuff comes up on google.


Time for a rant (it's been a while and I'm in the mood).

My personal experience with warranty work is that the dealer/supplier/retailer/wholesaler will do everything in their power to wriggle out of any sort of legal or moral obligation they may have to put something right...... after all, they're there to make money, not friends, and dishing out free warranty work isn't good for business. Atleast with personal items, you're reasonably well protected by consumer law, but with business related puchases you're on your own.

In such situations, you haven't really got many options:
a: Pay the bill
b: Don't pay the bill (in which case you'll be extorted for payment)
c: Take it to court and pay the lawyers bill
d: Don't buy anything with a warranty in the first place and let someone else get shafted by the manufacturer/dealer/salesman.

Good old fashioned customer service and after sales support is well and truly dead. Sales people think their sh!t doesn't stink and are often arrogant cocks who are only there to look after the "big boys". Modern equipment and machinery is generally rubbish, built to a budget and life span, overpriced, under performing and made using substandard materials. Hell, a lot of big operators are too scared to even keep stuff beyond its warranty period these days in case it all goes spectacularly wrong.....what does that tell you?

Oh well.....life goes on. Get rid of the green lemon and buy a Same Explorer 80.
 
Yes, then assembled on a Friday afternoon at 4:55pm :unsure:

If you can, get some photos of the o-ring/clutch packs and the broken/welded brackets and post them up on this thread for future reference in case someone has the same problems. It's amazing how much of this stuff comes up on google.


Time for a rant (it's been a while and I'm in the mood).

My personal experience with warranty work is that the dealer/supplier/retailer/wholesaler will do everything in their power to wriggle out of any sort of legal or moral obligation they may have to put something right...... after all, they're there to make money, not friends, and dishing out free warranty work isn't good for business. Atleast with personal items, you're reasonably well protected by consumer law, but with business related puchases you're on your own.

In such situations, you haven't really got many options:
a: Pay the bill
b: Don't pay the bill (in which case you'll be extorted for payment)
c: Take it to court and pay the lawyers bill
d: Don't buy anything with a warranty in the first place and let someone else get shafted by the manufacturer/dealer/salesman.

Good old fashioned customer service and after sales support is well and truly dead. Sales people think their sh!t doesn't stink and are often arrogant cocks who are only there to look after the "big boys". Modern equipment and machinery is generally rubbish, built to a budget and life span, overpriced, under performing and made using substandard materials. Hell, a lot of big operators are too scared to even keep stuff beyond its warranty period these days in case it all goes spectacularly wrong.....what does that tell you?

Oh well.....life goes on. Get rid of the green lemon and buy a Same Explorer 80.
Blimey, sorry to hear you have such a lowly opinion of the machinery supply trade
To address some of the points you raise
Very unlikely that it was made at 4.55 on a Friday..in Southern Germany where the TTV 430 is built shifts run from 6.00 to 2.30, as most of the workers also own farms.....wife often looks after things before lunch- husbands after!
Putting pics on this thread shows an operator has managed to break something.. not the cause.
Warranty is a committment to replace parts that are faulty or have been misassembled, not to replace something that has worn out.
SDF warranty is 2 years or 2000 hrs.. whichever comes first.. to expect a warranty on a 10 year old tractor is dreaming.
Dealers/Retailer do not have the authority to offer any repairs under warranty....they can submit a warranty on a customers behalf, and if it is accepted they can raise a credit against any charges incurred by the customer.
I also don't understand how you can believe that modern technology is worse than the old stuff.....I can remember as a teenager.. which was a fair while ago.. replacing clutch plates on fords on a annual basis.....now a clutch will last on a car for 300k and it still works.. that's about the quality of the materials, fine tolerances and far superior lubricants.
As to arrogant salesman.. unfortunately that's a sign of the times and applies to any industry, but ultimately the buyer has the power.. if you don't like the person or the deal.. walk away !!
 
Yes also some models of a particular years can be outstanding in any brand of tractor
Glad you having a great run with your tractors
With all the stupid problems and run I have had has totally put me off Deutz for another example
When tractor new possibly around 200hrs I was doing grader blading work and stabilising brackets on tractor steel started cracking up so when I showed power farming they just said I must be rough and never happened to any other tractor etc etc so got them to weld and strengthen up $400 worth
Then hello about a year later phone call they going around replacing brackets under warranty on all this model tractor because other peoples were breaking around the world and because the original brackets were made from a low steel !
Did they then admit to me that I was not rough (which I am most definitely not when I have another tractor with 6000hr a different brand and when service men come to that they always say that is the tidiest tractor so that model and age they see)
No they didn’t admit I not rough or reimburse me for the strengthening cost I had to do!
To me it seems a common theme (not just to me!) any thing going wrong there go to Is you rough
And also appears that they keep certain things secret or only in house as if they hiding things?
Obviously these things I say are only my opinions and experiences
Maybe my tractor was made up from the parts that got dropped on factory floor and swept up at night lol
Dealers can only make an assumption on the cause of a failure based o what they see... to me the fact that the manufacturer realised there was a problem with the stabilisers.. issued a recall notice and came back to you a year later is the mark of a good company.. interestingly, SDF don't make those stabiliser its a bought in item.. so they would have had to chase their supplier to get a resolution
Re your Ferguson arm if there is a manufacturer flaw in arm say air bubble in casing and arm broke then yes I believe that company should replace arm!!
Would you not agree??
not if its 54 years old no... but I'm not a metallurgist !!!!
 
Yes got not much opinion but to fix
I just pee'd off belive this should never of happened at this hours
Maybe 3000 or 3500hr understandable
Interesting idea.. in Europe and the UK, most tractors only have one years warranty, but lots of users take out a mechanical breakdown insurance for up to seven years, but like any insurance claim, there will be an excess to be paid
 
Sorry you have lost me with what you on a about Ferguson
My tractor is with company I brought it new from power farming
And they have done all the servicing on time and with correct Deutz fahr products except for maybe one service when I got so sick of the price gouging!!!!!!!!! And problems
I then got my man in van who had experience in these tractors and the tools who has proved his worth!!
I believe Deutz know this problem and are trying to hide it away!!
That why they being secretive and reluctant to give me contact numbers to higher people.
And furthermore if I had done hot hours and run up 2000hr they would be fixing this under warranty !!
As new warranty was for 2000hr
Also you saying your expert company !!
mechanic's have told me that they have never had one of these tractors this model apart so they where keen to rip apart and look at transmission for that further enhances that this is a manufacturing fault than a wear fault!!
Would you not concur!!
So you contradict yourself in one sentence.. Power Farming did all the servicing.. except for maybe one service by the man in the van?
Price gouging?.. did you discuss it with the Service Manager?
He can't have had a lot of experience in these tractors as only two of that model were sold in NZ
The transmission is built by ZF not SDF, who supply transmissions to lots of other makes including CNH, JD McCormick JCB and Claas
Warranty is 2000 hours or two years or whatever comes first.. so 1900 hours and 10 years is out of warranty I'm afraid
Don't understand your last statement about having a look....do you really think a dealer would do that... I can answer that.. no
AS to keeping contacts at Power Farming secret... grow up man.. the website lists the brand managers, or you can ask to speak with The National Service Manager on 07 902 2200
 

box

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Blimey, sorry to hear you have such a lowly opinion of the machinery supply trade
Oh don't take much notice of me, I'm always moaning about something and/or sh!t stirring ;)

I haven't seen the way OP treats his tractors, nor have I seen the failed components, so it's impossible to know where the fault really lies.
 

ajc606

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Livestock Farmer
So you contradict yourself in one sentence.. Power Farming did all the servicing.. except for maybe one service by the man in the van?
Price gouging?.. did you discuss it with the Service Manager?
He can't have had a lot of experience in these tractors as only two of that model were sold in NZ
The transmission is built by ZF not SDF, who supply transmissions to lots of other makes including CNH, JD McCormick JCB and Claas
Warranty is 2000 hours or two years or whatever comes first.. so 1900 hours and 10 years is out of warranty I'm afraid
Don't understand your last statement about having a look....do you really think a dealer would do that... I can answer that.. no
AS to keeping contacts at Power Farming secret... grow up man.. the website lists the brand managers, or you can ask to speak with The National Service Manager on 07 902 2200
Then why when I asked the owner manager for Power Farming for that number (which I did look up on website by the way!!!!)
He Said to me
I would be wasting my time speaking to head office as they would only give me “Lip Service “
His bloody words!!!
And only gave out after I persisted
So all this more than suggest you at Deutz have known of this issue and hiding!!!
 

ajc606

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Livestock Farmer
Then why when I asked the owner manager for Power Farming for that number (which I did look up on website by the way!!!!)
He Said to me
I would be wasting my time speaking to head office as they would only give me “Lip Service “
His bloody words!!!
And only gave out after I persisted
So all this more than suggest you at Deutz have known of this issue and hiding!!!
Also you bloody mechanic’s have never had one of apart
So are they experienced??????
 

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