Dirty water irrigation

[Pan mixer]

Thinking of an upgrade, anyone have thoughts and experience with roto-rainer and Scroll and Stator pumps?

 

[MickMoor]

There are loads of people who think they know a bit about it, but if I was asked, I'd call in an expert such as Briggs irrigation. Scroll and stator pumps are good, but can be a pain if not matched to the 'product' and duty.

 

[Pan mixer]

There are loads of people who think they know a bit about it, but if I was asked, I'd call in an expert such as Briggs irrigation. Scroll and stator pumps are good, but can be a pain if not matched to the 'product' and duty.

I have talked to them but they give me a glowing report of their system which may be just a trifle biased, I was hoping for someone who had used their products before.

 

[newholland]

We spend £550 ( £1000 if parts were genuine) every 2 -3 years for a scroll, stator and pin kit. This is per pump - we have 2 separate pumps pumping 110 cows worth of winter dirty water. It is a good mornings work to fit new scroll and stator, usually with cold fingers, usually on your hands and knees in the depths of winter - which is when pump needs attention - (your sales man will be sat in his office with his feet on the radiator).

Float switches can get frozen or jammed with snails, hedge cuttings etc and that runs pump dry. The have dry run protection, but sensors need cleaning, so pump still runs dry if your not on the ball.

You need clean dirty water - no sediment or bits of stick, cow tails etc

Mick is very correct about sizing the motor, pump, pipe diameter and pipe length - I have the T-shirt - we had a heck of a balls up when a bigger pump was fitted by a well know company - By trial, error and new experience we had to then upgrade the motor and then upgrade the entire pipe work diameter to match the bigger pump flow to finally get the whole lot to work like it should and it now does. You need to work out all the sums on paper according to your situation of pipe length, pipe diameter and height.
To match: electric supply capacity, pump size, pipe system.

I would look at "rotorflush pumps" or similar if I was buying another system.

 

[farmer1989]

hi guys im new to the forrum we are currently doing research on Briggs roto rainer we had a nc pulse cannon nearly 20 years ago but was sold when umbilicle systems came about we are looking to use a roto rainer for parlour and yard washings we also have a dtx slurry seporator and have been told by briggs irigation if we want to we could spread the separated slurry which be handy when we are too wet to travel with umbilicle the question is we are looking at a model 10 mk 2 irigator roto rainer but the 7kw pump seems expensive at £7000 was thinking does anybody have experience with a rotorflush pump and does any 1 have impartial advice on the system

 

[Db880]

Give Howard Chantry at Greencrop irrigation a call, he will be able to advise you.

http://www.greencrop.co.uk/ContactUs.aspx

 

[Pan mixer]

hi guys im new to the forrum we are currently doing research on Briggs roto rainer we had a nc pulse cannon nearly 20 years ago but was sold when umbilicle systems came about we are looking to use a roto rainer for parlour and yard washings we also have a dtx slurry seporator and have been told by briggs irigation if we want to we could spread the separated slurry which be handy when we are too wet to travel with umbilicle the question is we are looking at a model 10 mk 2 irigator roto rainer but the 7kw pump seems expensive at £7000 was thinking does anybody have experience with a rotorflush pump and does any 1 have impartial advice on the system

I have that rotorainer, it has been chugging up and down my fields for about 18 months so far, good tool.

I have a couple of mates who have had rotorainers for 25 years plus and they recommended it to me.

 

[MickMoor]

hi guys im new to the forrum we are currently doing research on Briggs roto rainer we had a nc pulse cannon nearly 20 years ago but was sold when umbilicle systems came about we are looking to use a roto rainer for parlour and yard washings we also have a dtx slurry seporator and have been told by briggs irigation if we want to we could spread the separated slurry which be handy when we are too wet to travel with umbilicle the question is we are looking at a model 10 mk 2 irigator roto rainer but the 7kw pump seems expensive at £7000 was thinking does anybody have experience with a rotorflush pump and does any 1 have impartial advice on the system

I think the technology has improved over 20 years! I am learning almost as we speak. A Roto Rainer will spead the lIquid fraction of separated slurry; whether the EA will let you when you need to, is a different kettle of fish. Who told you that a Model 10 is the one you want? The Roto Rainer needs a flow rate of between 6 and 20 cubic metres per hour, at a minimum pressure, at the gun of 2 bar. Briggs reccommend a scroll and stator pump because it will deliver this, whereas a rotorflush pump, being centrifugal, will not deliver that flow rate at that pressure. Remember every bend, every metre in height, and even the pipe itself all have resistance to the flow, reducing pressure, which can be calculated. We will be working at Haltwhistle over the next couple of weeks, so could call to discuss. (Travelling up the M6). One thing scroll and stator pumps dislike, is solids, by the way!

 

[farmer1989]

Hi mickmoor what are you doing up at haltwhistle do you have this system or putting 1 in ?

 

[MickMoor]

Hi mickmoor what are you doing up at haltwhistle do you have this system or putting 1 in ?

My accountant has bought a place, I'm just altering a building for him. Nothing to do with slurry or dirty water this time. I am hoping to supply a system nearer home, which will be my first, hence my search forinformation about them!

 

[Pan mixer]

Giles at Midland Slurry recommended what I had and organised the installation etc. Even though we seemed a long way from him it was no problem.

http://www.midlandslurrysystems.co.uk/

 

[MickMoor]

Giles at Midland Slurry recommended what I had and organised the installation etc. Even though we seemed a long way from him it was no problem.

http://www.midlandslurrysystems.co.uk/

Yes, Giles is helping me with my project too.

 

[farmer1989]

Visited a farm today they have had a roto rainer 10 for over 20 yeats tapped onto permastore yard run off and all slurry put thru a carrior seporator which is 15 years old hes says its never blocked just the ocasional breakdown hes says hes saved a fortune not using contractors or having a tanker did cost a bit to install but has paid for itself many times

 

[MickMoor]

Don'toverlook the fact that the Briggs pump comes complete in a weather proof box, with heater and frost stat, motor cover, dry run sensor, float switches, 24hr timer, pre-wired control panel, manual drain-off valve, suction hose, mechanical installation and commissioning will also be included.

 

[Pan mixer]

Don'toverlook the fact that the Briggs pump comes complete in a weather proof box, with heater and frost stat, motor cover, dry run sensor, float switches, 24hr timer, pre-wired control panel, manual drain-off valve, suction hose, mechanical installation and commissioning will also be included.

You are beginning to sound a teensy-weensy bit like a salesman for them now...... Although I must confess, I completely agree. I had one problem with mine, phoned Giles, he solved it on the phone in 15 seconds, no trouble since.

 

[MickMoor]

You are beginning to sound a teensy-weensy bit like a salesman for them now...... Although I must confess, I completely agree. I had one problem with mine, phoned Giles, he solved it on the phone in 15 seconds, no trouble since.

I'll shut uo for now then!
Although when we buy, we buy off people, not companies. I can do business with them!

 

[kverneland es 80]

I have that rotorainer, it has been chugging up and down my fields for about 18 months so far, good tool.

I have a couple of mates who have had rotorainers for 25 years plus and they recommended it to me.

have a roto 10 mk2 here as well ,bit of a twist on the pump tho we run a doda 35 on it ,super job

 

[farmer1989]

Would a electric pump not be cheaper to run we costed out 50p hour for 7.5kw

 

[MickMoor]

Would a electric pump not be cheaper to run we costed out 50p hour for 7.5kw

You need the pressure, and are unlikely to get it from a centrifugal pump / see me after class!

 

[farmer1989]

Yer im on about the briggs pumpset