Discovery 4 engine seized

Fragonard

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Why should they bother doing anything about it, when people keep buying them?
A friend bought a new Evoque, had to sell it at a year old, couldn't depend on it.
Fuel problems. Could not sort it.
 

Lincsman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Thankfully i have a SEAT that has the next generation EA288 2lt diesel in & its unaffected.
Runs very well & puts next to nowt thats visable oot its exhaust. good job its £20 road tax.
same equ NEW car with same engine is now £140 to tax? its bonkers.

Yours should be £140 to tax as thats the emissions its really emitting, because cheat mode only comes into play when testing, and the emissions that are the problem are invisible gasses.

I do find it ironic that London will allow cars in free due to a known cheat of the system and polluting more than other cars that are paying.
 

Farma Parma

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Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
Why should they bother doing anything about it, when people keep buying them?
A friend bought a new Evoque, had to sell it at a year old, couldn't depend on it.
Fuel problems. Could not sort it.

Running in this case a LR product out of makers warranty is a risky job theres plenty who will back me up
on this. Yet alot of the foreign made shall we say competition doesnt seem to have this stigma.
 

Farma Parma

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Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
Yours should be £140 to tax as thats the emissions its really emitting, because cheat mode only comes into play when testing, and the emissions that are the problem are invisible gasses.

I do find it ironic that London will allow cars in free due to a known cheat of the system and polluting more than other cars that are paying.
mine has the later engine & i can assure you its not very polluting.
stand behind it you can soon tell.
If i stand behind my 14yr old diesel vitara it bloody stinks to the point you cant stay there.
emissions twice as as high on paper as my old car & £280 to tax the bugger.
My previous 1.9 TDI also a SEAT Car which was possibly VW's finest reliability wise made engine in its day only had EGR
yet didnt smell that bad. it did put the black REEK out when you gunned it mind. Most satisfying sometimes.
You can rev the nuts off the this latest VW engine & no black smoke.
 

Farma Parma

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Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
Yours should be £140 to tax as thats the emissions its really emitting, because cheat mode only comes into play when testing, and the emissions that are the problem are invisible gasses.

I do find it ironic that London will allow cars in free due to a known cheat of the system and polluting more than other cars that are paying.
The emissions are on paper less on the earlier version of same engine... this is the unaffected EA288 Engine family
then UK Gov changed the tax rules forcing all cars that emit any emissions to pay the min of £140/yr now
the £20 road tax charge on many smaller or less polluting cars has now gone.
the only ones that get FREE Road Tax are the 100% electric ones
 
Location
Cleveland
You need one after 2012...

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Location
Cleveland
I have to say that Imo BMW have always seemed to make the best modern diesels. They just seem to have the right formula, something lost to JLR. There are other good engines now not in production but BMW seem to have been getting it right for a long time.
It’s very rare you hear of engine failures theses days....it’s usully the electronics
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I have to say that Imo BMW have always seemed to make the best modern diesels. They just seem to have the right formula, something lost to JLR. There are other good engines now not in production but BMW seem to have been getting it right for a long time.

BMW have their share and more of engine problems. Ask @Penmoel about that issue with timing chains and wrecked engines. He's been bitten. Their plastic inlet manifold throttle valves are somewhat notorious as well.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
So whats in current LR vehicles of a similar size must be a diff engine family again is it ?
Same engine family throughout, the Ford/Peugeot 'Lion' V6 and V8 diesel.

There is talk of JLR having their own replacement engine to be launched fairly soon. I've heard that its going to be a straight six 3 litres version of the Ingenium, but I can hardly believe that they will want the packaging and safety issues associated with a straight six. We shall just have to wait and see.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Running in this case a LR product out of makers warranty is a risky job theres plenty who will back me up
on this. Yet alot of the foreign made shall we say competition doesnt seem to have this stigma.

Running any mechanical device that moves using fuel is a wallet emptying business. There's a cost however way you look at it.
I feel more comfortable running a four cylinder engine than a six cylinder because of the potential repair costs. Its all relative though and the 50% extra it costs to overhaul a six cylinder engine may or may not be significant when considering that the shite may never actually hit the fan.
 
I know about VW being naughty.

So have they done the fix and then the fix is causing issues?
Yes we had a 2012 Audi hatch with 1.6 Tdi engine that lunched 2 injectors in rapid succession within a month on having EA189 applied. Both were repaired gratis but Audi made me sign a slip that said words to the effect that the injector fault was nought to do with the emissions update. Car was sold within 3 months.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Yes we had a 2012 Audi hatch with 1.6 Tdi engine that lunched 2 injectors in rapid succession within a month on having EA189 applied. Both were repaired gratis but Audi made me sign a slip that said words to the effect that the injector fault was nought to do with the emissions update. Car was sold within 3 months.
What does that tell us about the moral integrity and trustworthiness on VW Group? That they cheated their customers to gain a commercial advantage and then cause untold problems with a 'remedy' and force customers to either pay for subsequent repairs or sign false declarations that excuse them from liability. :poop: :devil:

That's one car manufacturer that will not get a penny out of my pocket ever again. On principle.
 
What does that tell us about the moral integrity and trustworthiness on VW Group? That they cheated their customers to gain a commercial advantage and then cause untold problems with a 'remedy' and force customers to either pay for subsequent repairs or sign false declarations that excuse them from liability. :poop: :devil:

That's one car manufacturer that will not get a penny out of my pocket ever again. On principle.
Yeh left a sour taste in my mouth admittedly.
 

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