Discovery sports

D14

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Was talking to a car dealer friend last night and he cannot get hold of Range Rover Vogues at all. He has a 'deal' with a mainline LR dealer where he takes 12 RR's per year and then puts them out on lease locally. Apparently they are all being shipped abroad hence why there is low stock. The main LR he deals with has 4 dealerships and between them as of yesterday they had 3 new RR vogues in stock to sell. There is no discount available.
My friend is a mainline dealer for a Jap make of car but he is not having the same issues with new cars and orders are being delivered to him on time. His problem is he cannot get hold of used stock because the car auctions are now making retail prices.
He actually bought in a 19 plate RR Vogue in August for £61,000. Sat in it and sold it last week at £72,000.
I've another friend who ordered a BMW 1 on lease for his wife in July and its still not arrived. Its now 16 weeks since order conformation and the lease company cannot tell him when it will be coming so he's stuck hiring a car short term which is costing a lot more than a lease.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Disco Sport is a deceptively large car but the XC60 is deceptively small. The Volvo is slightly bigger by about 10cms overall and wheelbase but interior room is about the same if I remember correctly. In theory the LR should be a better car than the Volvo with bespoke interiors built to your taste from a massive list of options. In practice though, always be aware of Land Rover's dodgy and patchy reliability record and their appalling record for not standing by their products. Get a good one though and it can be brilliant.

Volvo has a very nice model range. I had an XC90 D5 for three years and only the lockdown stopped me from buying it out from the lease. It went well and was economical on fuel and was pretty reliable, though not perfectly so. I found the seats to be hard and unforgiving and the suspension also. The main thing that I didn't like was the tyre noise, even with Contisilent tyres. A change to Pirelli 235x19 from the 285x20 made a lot of difference and the Pirelli seemed to last at least three times longer than the Continentals.
I've a set of part worn [50%ish] Conti on absolutely as-new Volvo Inscription wheels to fit XC90 for sale if anyone's interested.
 
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mf7480

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
Was talking to a car dealer friend last night and he cannot get hold of Range Rover Vogues at all. He has a 'deal' with a mainline LR dealer where he takes 12 RR's per year and then puts them out on lease locally. Apparently they are all being shipped abroad hence why there is low stock. The main LR he deals with has 4 dealerships and between them as of yesterday they had 3 new RR vogues in stock to sell. There is no discount available.
My friend is a mainline dealer for a Jap make of car but he is not having the same issues with new cars and orders are being delivered to him on time. His problem is he cannot get hold of used stock because the car auctions are now making retail prices.
He actually bought in a 19 plate RR Vogue in August for £61,000. Sat in it and sold it last week at £72,000.
I've another friend who ordered a BMW 1 on lease for his wife in July and its still not arrived. Its now 16 weeks since order conformation and the lease company cannot tell him when it will be coming so he's stuck hiring a car short term which is costing a lot more than a lease.

Are Japanese cars not having supply issues because they’re less desirable?
 

silverfox

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Location
Shropshire
If your thinking of selling , nows the time.
We sold our disco sport as wife wanted a smaller car. Owned it nearly 2 years and We buy any car, gave me almost what I paid for it new. Another family member had one at the same time and is now being valued at £5k more than was paid . No problems with ours or the others in the family ( there are 3, with one member on their second one )
Personally I felt it was a lovely car to drive once you got it going, but was a bit sluggish at getting away from junctions etc .
 

Timbo

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Location
Gods County
@Cowabunga will fill us in, but I’m sure the early ones suffered early DPF failure due to its location, and it’s not easily fixable.

Later ones aren’t affected. I think the ingenium engine is generally pretty good?

Ingeniums are rapidly gaining reputation for bother. Turbo failure, crank bearings and timing chain stretch.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Ingeniums are rapidly gaining reputation for bother. Turbo failure, crank bearings and timing chain stretch.
Timing chains or tensioners have certainly been an issue on early ones. The main common issue on Ingenium transversely mounted engines, not longitudinal ones, has been with a fundamental engineering fault where there was no room to close-couple the DPF to the turbo, so they had to remote mount it back under the floor. Trouble is that the gas cools by the time it reached the DPF, preventing consistent flame-off and therefore regeneration. The design also relies on a late injection of fuel into the cylinders during running to instigate that burn, but since it fails, it does the late injection over and over to try to instigate the regeneration, that fails again and again. Even if it doesn't clog the DPF irreparably, the excess fuel washes the cylinder bores of lubricant and flows past the rings into the sump, causing diluted contaminated oil and indeed a seriously rising sump fluid [it's not efficient 'lubricant' at this point]. This not only causes increased engine wear but can result in the engine ingesting its sump fluid and running out of control until it grenades. That is rare though.

The only answers JLR have for these vehicles is to offer extra free oil changes for these vehicles for a couple of years. There is no cure.

On later models of all Evoque, LR D Sport and Jaguar whatever, they did a mid-life refresh which was actually a complete re-engineering of the front bodyshell to increase the room between the engine and the firewall between the dash and engine. This is specifically to allow the combined cat and DPF to be mounted right off the turbo, as close to the exhaust manifold as most others do and that JLR did from the start when the engine was fitted in-line, such as on the Velar, RR Sport, F-Pace and new Defender. These never had any such problem.

Easy way to know whether a vehicle is the early type or later is that the early ones have one infotainment screen and later have an extra lower screen with a combined name of Pivi-Pro. I'm not guaranteeing that the change coincided but its the best indication bar actually checking down the back of the engine to see where the DPF is fitted.

I wouldn't touch an used earlier model with a barge pole myself. Earlier ones still have the Ford engine, which does hesitate when moving from a standstill and is thirstier but is far more reliable than those Ingenium units. A recent example with the Pivi-Pro should be sorted and be of no bother, at least in that way and they should have added more spot welds to the back body of the D Sport by then also, to stop the creaking of early ones. I'd have one of Pivi Pro models if I was thus inclined.
 

mf7480

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
Timing chains or tensioners have certainly been an issue on early ones. The main common issue on Ingenium transversely mounted engines, not longitudinal ones, has been with a fundamental engineering fault where there was no room to close-couple the DPF to the turbo, so they had to remote mount it back under the floor. Trouble is that the gas cools by the time it reached the DPF, preventing consistent flame-off and therefore regeneration. The design also relies on a late injection of fuel into the cylinders during running to instigate that burn, but since it fails, it does the late injection over and over to try to instigate the regeneration, that fails again and again. Even if it doesn't clog the DPF irreparably, the excess fuel washes the cylinder bores of lubricant and flows past the rings into the sump, causing diluted contaminated oil and indeed a seriously rising sump fluid [it's not efficient 'lubricant' at this point]. This not only causes increased engine wear but can result in the engine ingesting its sump fluid and running out of control until it grenades. That is rare though.

The only answers JLR have for these vehicles is to offer extra free oil changes for these vehicles for a couple of years. There is no cure.

On later models of all Evoque, LR D Sport and Jaguar whatever, they did a mid-life refresh which was actually a complete re-engineering of the front bodyshell to increase the room between the engine and the firewall between the dash and engine. This is specifically to allow the combined cat and DPF to be mounted right off the turbo, as close to the exhaust manifold as most others do and that JLR did from the start when the engine was fitted in-line, such as on the Velar, RR Sport, F-Pace and new Defender. These never had any such problem.

Easy way to know whether a vehicle is the early type or later is that the early ones have one infotainment screen and later have an extra lower screen with a combined name of Pivi-Pro. I'm not guaranteeing that the change coincided but its the best indication bar actually checking down the back of the engine to see where the DPF is fitted.

I wouldn't touch an used earlier model with a barge pole myself. Earlier ones still have the Ford engine, which does hesitate when moving from a standstill and is thirstier but is far more reliable than those Ingenium units. A recent example with the Pivi-Pro should be sorted and be of no bother, at least in that way and they should have added more spot welds to the back body of the D Sport by then also, to stop the creaking of early ones. I'd have one of Pivi Pro models if I was thus inclined.

A good summary.

Interesting someone mentioned an ingenium D sport being sluggish off the line. My defender with a straight 6 ingenium is very, very keen off the line. I haven’t driven a car like it for many years, my xc90 in particular was dreadful for it, very poor throttle response and a bizarre dead spot right where you didn’t need it, to dive into a gap in the traffic for instance. The XC60 D4 I drive regularly doesn’t suffer from the same problem, it seems a much better drivetrain, albeit with a bit of torque steer with all that power going through the front wheels

Whether it’s the mild hybrid part helping I’m not sure, but it’s nice to drive something with that get up and go again, not to mention the silky smooth growl of 6 cylinders
 

cosmagedon

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North Wales
Timing chains or tensioners have certainly been an issue on early ones. The main common issue on Ingenium transversely mounted engines, not longitudinal ones, has been with a fundamental engineering fault where there was no room to close-couple the DPF to the turbo, so they had to remote mount it back under the floor. Trouble is that the gas cools by the time it reached the DPF, preventing consistent flame-off and therefore regeneration. The design also relies on a late injection of fuel into the cylinders during running to instigate that burn, but since it fails, it does the late injection over and over to try to instigate the regeneration, that fails again and again. Even if it doesn't clog the DPF irreparably, the excess fuel washes the cylinder bores of lubricant and flows past the rings into the sump, causing diluted contaminated oil and indeed a seriously rising sump fluid [it's not efficient 'lubricant' at this point]. This not only causes increased engine wear but can result in the engine ingesting its sump fluid and running out of control until it grenades. That is rare though.

The only answers JLR have for these vehicles is to offer extra free oil changes for these vehicles for a couple of years. There is no cure.

On later models of all Evoque, LR D Sport and Jaguar whatever, they did a mid-life refresh which was actually a complete re-engineering of the front bodyshell to increase the room between the engine and the firewall between the dash and engine. This is specifically to allow the combined cat and DPF to be mounted right off the turbo, as close to the exhaust manifold as most others do and that JLR did from the start when the engine was fitted in-line, such as on the Velar, RR Sport, F-Pace and new Defender. These never had any such problem.

Easy way to know whether a vehicle is the early type or later is that the early ones have one infotainment screen and later have an extra lower screen with a combined name of Pivi-Pro. I'm not guaranteeing that the change coincided but its the best indication bar actually checking down the back of the engine to see where the DPF is fitted.

I wouldn't touch an used earlier model with a barge pole myself. Earlier ones still have the Ford engine, which does hesitate when moving from a standstill and is thirstier but is far more reliable than those Ingenium units. A recent example with the Pivi-Pro should be sorted and be of no bother, at least in that way and they should have added more spot welds to the back body of the D Sport by then also, to stop the creaking of early ones. I'd have one of Pivi Pro models if I was thus inclined.
Hypothetically, if an earlier low mileage car was bought and the DPF removed and mapped out if shouldn't have any of the issues you mentioned above then?
 

Lazy Sod

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Location
Warminster
My daughter had an Evoque. I had 2 engine rebuilds, one during the guarantee and the other one, which was after the guarantee period was eventually paid for by JLR and the dealer. She now has a BMW mild hybrid 4x4. 61 mpg on her commute into London.
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Mrs car is due a change . We like look and feel of the discovery sport but put off with reviews on them . Any stories to tell ?

mum and dad had one

hated it, as did they

brakes the worst of any car I’ve every driven, gutless engine, poor trim finish

buy a Macan for similar money, no comparison, just sold at 3 years old for pretty much what they paid !
 

chickens and wheat

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Mixed Farmer
Pivi pro is not a sure sign of a facelift discosport. I had an early facelift with older screen, petrol engine gave no bother at all.just a software recall to stop the radiator fan reving flat out when it shouldnt.
Before that i had an ingenium diesel sport 2017, good car but needed oil changes every 10k due to dilution.
A lot of euro 6 engines dilute the oil, but disco was particularly prone.
A few software updates over the years have improved the dilution since
 

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