Disgraceful farmer behaviour on pirelli rally

[czechmate]

I think if you really understood the job you would maybe organise a rally for a diferent time of year.

I have enough to do with cows to worry about what people do with their sheep. I will say though, that my best friend here has about a thousand breeding sheep as an add on to his diary business. He uses sponges and lambs all years round. Sells for a much better price by missing gluts and he doesn't become an irrational moron by getting over tired. Maybe this guy could try it?

 

[Kidds]

The last stranger I shouted at was a woman who thought it was OK to encourage her two lurchers to run all over my strawberry crop having already traipsed over nearly the entire farm without actually using the footpath once.
This was last week or so, not at all unusual and I don't really think I was behaving irrationally.
If you never have such instances in your farming life you live in a better place than me (or a less populated one at least)

 

[JohnGalway]

You only highlighted half the sentence, the whole sentence tells the full story.


If I had many folks saying they didn't want my beef because they didn't want cereal fed bulls (you do get the odd ones), I would think that maybe I was going about my job wrong. If I had any one say they didn't want my beef because of my behavior, I would think I am going about my life wrong

I left the entire quote in so as not to misquote you. I thought it was a disgraceful comment from a farmer.

I would suggest if you're living your life according to what people think about you, something you'll never be able to control, good luck to you.

 

[czechmate]

The last stranger I shouted at was a woman who thought it was OK to encourage her two lurchers to run all over my strawberry crop having already traipsed over nearly the entire farm without actually using the footpath once.
This was last week or so, not at all unusual and I don't really think I was behaving irrationally.
If you never have such instances in your farming life you live in a better place than me (or a less populated one at least)[/QUOTE]


I probably did in the uk and almost certainly do in France. I did have the hunt and their dogs running amuck amongst my leeks, I did have my neighbours sheep running around in my courgettes etc etc (nothing in France though) but never felt the need to shout or swear

 

[czechmate]

I left the entire quote in so as not to misquote you. I thought it was a disgraceful comment from a farmer.

I would suggest if you're living your life according to what people think about you, something you'll never be able to control, good luck to you.

But you do have a lot of control over that. For eg. As this bloke proved, it's easy to make people think you are an arse

 

[JohnGalway]

But you do have a lot of control over that. For eg. As this bloke proved, it's easy to make people think you are an arse

I bet he still sells his lambs each year. As I said, every story has two sides, we haven't heard his. I wouldn't be impressed with a rally going through my ewes at lambing either.

 

[czechmate]

I bet he still sells his lambs each year. As I said, every story has two sides, we haven't heard his. I wouldn't be impressed with a rally going through my ewes at lambing either.

The roads where his lambs were was a link section. Not competitive. The first round in mid wales had sheep on an open road that was competitive. I thought that was mental (and scary as a driver!)
I thought everyone in Ireland loved rallying? Don't forget it's different there with closed road stages.

 

[JohnGalway]

The roads where his lambs were was a link section. Not competitive. The first round in mid wales had sheep on an open road that was competitive. I thought that was mental (and scary as a driver!)
I thought everyone in Ireland loved rallying? Don't forget it's different there with closed road stages.

No rally locally thankfully, roads closed for enough stuff already.

 

[Northumberland]

Wow

I have enough to do with cows to worry about what people do with their sheep. I will say though, that my best friend here has about a thousand breeding sheep as an add on to his diary business. He uses sponges and lambs all years round. Sells for a much better price by missing gluts and he doesn't become an irrational moron by getting over tired. Maybe this guy could try it?

Hill farmer should lamb unseasonal times of year
Put the digger keys down

 

[Goweresque]

I have never been too bogged down in the law but it it not illegal to swear at people in public?

Not per se. It comes down to whether it causes 'alarm or distress'. So in a slanging match between two hefty blokes of worldly experience neither could really claim alarm and distress at hearing a few swear words. A little old lady on the other hand being told to 'Eff off' could well be very alarmed, and that would indeed be against the law. Its all rather subjective. A case a few years ago decided that the police were wrong to arrest a chap purely for swearing at them, as a judge considered that policemen would be used to a lot of effing and blinding and therefore could not be considered either alarmed or distressed at hearing such. But each case is different so very little can be drawn from such rulings.

http://www.fosters-solicitors.co.uk/news/crime/is-it-ok-to-swear-at-the-police/206

 

[czechmate]

Wow


Hill farmer should lamb unseasonal times of year
Put the digger keys down

I think you will find in my post that I say I have no worry about what people do with their sheep, so no digger keys here. On the other hand, you seem to be defending outrageous beheivour...
Hmm now who has the digger keys?
Are you the guy? Me I was just the driver so don't know if we were in Cumbria or Northumberland At this particular point

 

[czechmate]

No rally locally thankfully, roads closed for enough stuff already.

You know, this is maybe the problem. This year, we have the Tour de France go within a km. I am sure it will be inconvenient and even chaos. I have no interest in bikes or bike racing but can accept it is a big event of interest to a lot of people. IMO, we need to get out of our little boxes of cows, sheep, tractors and combines and appreciate there is actually another whole world out there

 

[wasted years]

I have enough to do with cows to worry about what people do with their sheep. I will say though, that my best friend here has about a thousand breeding sheep as an add on to his diary business. He uses sponges and lambs all years round. Sells for a much better price by missing gluts and he doesn't become an irrational moron by getting over tired. Maybe this guy could try it?

Yes but where does he farm at, a kinder climate than where you are refering to I'll wager.

 

[czechmate]

Yes but where does he farm at, a kinder climate than where you are refering to I'll wager.

A couple of you taking that point too literally. What I suppose I was getting at is, if what he is doing doesn't work for him, as it clearly doesn't by his angry beheivour, then maybe he should look at doing something that works for him?

Don't forget, farmers like this are spoiling the image of farming plc for the rest of us

 

[Grouse]

we have car rally's down a single track very narrow winding road which splits part of our farm, the drivers think they can speed like fluck, tear up the verges, crash into and demolish our fences and walls, which then let's the stock out, Rev their engines with no silencers and straight through pipes for 5 hours between 12 a.m. and 5 a.m. Keeping the whole village awake - and the dick head drivers expect to be welcomed with open arms !!!

Perhaps the farmer subject of the OP's post has had enough of rally drivers ripping up the neighbourhood at unsocial hours and causing damage.

 

[wasted years]

A couple of you taking that point too literally. What I suppose I was getting at is, if what he is doing doesn't work for him, as it clearly doesn't by his angry beheivour, then maybe he should look at doing something that works for him?

Don't forget, farmers like this are spoiling the image of farming plc for the rest of us

OK, point taken, but he may say that rally organisers having an event in that areas most important time of the year isn't good for motor sports image , especially as some involved claim to know the industry.

 

[czechmate]

we have car rally's down a single track very narrow winding road which splits part of our farm, the drivers think they can speed like fluck, tear up the verges, crash into and demolish our fences and walls, which then let's the stock out, Rev their engines with no silencers and straight through pipes for 5 hours between 12 a.m. and 5 a.m. Keeping the whole village awake - and the dick head drivers expect to be welcomed with open arms !!!

Perhaps the farmer subject of the OP's post has had enough of you and your colleagues ripping up the neighbourhood at unsocial hours and causing damage.

"Road rallies".

For the third time on this thread...

You won't find me defending road rallies. Different thing altogether

 

[czechmate]

OK, point taken, but he may say that rally organisers having an event in that areas most important time of the year isn't good for motor sports image , especially as some involved claim to know the industry.

I have not the time or interest to go and stalk this guy year round but in my experience a sane level headed bloke for 51 weeks a year doesn't suddenly turn into Mr Angry for a couple of days at one circumstance like a newly calved cow

 

[czechmate]

I will just make I point here for clarity...

A road rally (I competed on two when 17 in the days of the sex pistols) uses public roads and is based on lies by trickery of changing clocks or putting in chicanes to try and fool the police that there is no speeding. They run at night as that way the competitors can see that there is nothing coming the other way. I found them an unacceptable idea even before I could vote.
A stage rally, on the pirelli for eg, the competitors will have paid over £40,000 to the forestry commission for the privilege of driving competitively over their closed, private tracks. The tracks of course are not all together, so public roads are used to travel from one stage to another. These link sections are given an allowance of time set at a maximum average of 30mph, quite often 20. If a competitor arrives at the controll at the end of the link early he is severely penalised. Hence there is no reason/advantage to driving quickly on the public roads on a stage rally, such as the pirelli.
I hope this clarifies some of the complaints from posters regarding road rallies which, actually I fully agree with and can't even understand how in this day and age, they even continue to run

 

[Goweresque]

I have not the time or interest to go and stalk this guy year round but in my experience a sane level headed bloke for 51 weeks a year doesn't suddenly turn into Mr Angry for a couple of days at one circumstance like a newly calved cow

No, but if rallies are a regular occurrence at this time of year, and have caused problems in the past, then it may be weighing on his mind for months in advance resulting in less than rational behaviour at the event itself. Remember for you its one day in the year, maybe only a couple of times ever on this road. For him its every year, maybe more than one rally per year (if as you say this is an important route between stages) and many individual drivers on each rally. You are equating your one interaction with this farmer with his (potentially) multiple interactions with rally drivers over many years. The psychological state of either party cannot really be seen as equal.

Its like a drip drip water torture situation - any one drip could be described as having no effect, put together for hours its torture.