Dispatches- woodchip.

quattro

Member
Location
scotland
Yes, they will be paying more out over the lifetime of the scheme, that what makes it a good investment. But the govt is already heavily borrowed, keeps telling us they ain't got no more money for roads, schools, hospitals etc, I very much doubt they'd have been able to stump up the funds up front as you suggest, doing it this way they can claim to be doing something and push the cost further down the road and at some time in the lifespan of the scheme they pretty much know it will become the oppositions problem but that's politics, it ain't like a business where you invest today for future savings as the future savings could end up in the hands of the opposition.
They should have made it a lot harder to qualify for rhi then half the boilers put in are just wasting energy and costing the government 100s of thousands of pounds
 
Location
Ireland
What they should have done is make you apply to get approved for a rhi boiler and if you qualified you should have been supplied with the boiler and system free timber for 20years free of charge But get NO payments
That way there is no incentive to have multiple boilers wasting heat free heat should be the biggest incentive
Leave timber for 12/14months to dry naturally it burns no problem
tat way they still wouldnt care... they burn away at it.. imagine being given a car for free and drive around in it wit free fuel for 20 year's ... 1st u be never of the road 2nd u wouldnt luk after the car...(service it) and 3rd u be luking a new car in 4/5 years time.. be same wit rhi burner.. 1st u wouldnt service it.. 2nd u still leave heating on... sure hi wat would u care costing nothing to run.. 3rd probably need u boiler in few year's 4th probably run out of wood chip to supply burner at tat rate.. .. its kinda like when ur running low on heating oil.. for ur house.. ur switching it of all the time.. but if tank is full u pass no remarks on it..heating be on all day...
 

quattro

Member
Location
scotland
tat way they still wouldnt care... they burn away at it.. imagine being given a car for free and drive around in it wit free fuel for 20 year's ... 1st u be never of the road 2nd u wouldnt luk after the car...(service it) and 3rd u be luking a new car in 4/5 years time.. be same wit rhi burner.. 1st u wouldnt service it.. 2nd u still leave heating on... sure hi wat would u care costing nothing to run.. 3rd probably need u boiler in few year's 4th probably run out of wood chip to supply burner at tat rate.. .. its kinda like when ur running low on heating oil.. for ur house.. ur switching it of all the time.. but if tank is full u pass no remarks on it..heating be on all day...
But it would stop all the people putting in multiple boilers
As regards fuel you would be supplied just enough for the year so if you wasted it you would have to buy more
 
Location
Ireland
But it would stop all the people putting in multiple boilers
As regards fuel you would be supplied just enough for the year so if you wasted it you would have to buy more
but reason they have 2or3 boilers its because of wat they heating... like if ur heating a small house.. u probably get away wit a 25or 30kw boiler but if it was bigger house.. and max boiler u can get is 30kw.. only thing u can do is put 2 x30kw boilers in side by side..... so be same for them sheds.. bigger the shed more heat required... more boilers needed... long and short of it all ... the rhi was a scam... only winner in it all was wood chip or pellet supplier
 

quattro

Member
Location
scotland
but reason they have 2or3 boilers its because of wat they heating... like if ur heating a small house.. u probably get away wit a 25or 30kw boiler but if it was bigger house.. and max boiler u can get is 30kw.. only thing u can do is put 2 x30kw boilers in side by side..... so be same for them sheds.. bigger the shed more heat required... more boilers needed... long and short of it all ... the rhi was a scam... only winner in it all was wood chip or pellet supplier
So someone with 10-12 295kw is ok
People buying the boilers are winners too
 

Cowmangav

Member
Location
Ayrshire
Just opened another pallet of woodchip bags - which my supplier struggled to source , owing to the ammount of installations. Each 10 kg of chips is in a thick polythene bag , and the whole stack is shrinkwrapped in umpteen layers of film AND there's a big covering plastic sheet over the whole pallet. Mine's just a domestic boiler so I don't get paid anything extra if I use it more - so try to use only 12 pallets a year. That means the house is cold in winter .

How is it green to burn wood chip , because the wood has been grown using CO2 , but my cows are baddies for churning out CO2 - but their CO2 comes from silage grown from CO2 absorbed by my permanent pasture last year?:scratchhead:
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
and apparently permanent pasture absorbs more CO2 than woodland
@Kiwi Pete
IF correctly managed (y)
We just need to remember to only half and put half back, same as any other conservation effort... in doing so, all the extra hydrocarbon burnt "fertilising" and "producing Nitrogen" isn't necessary.

Remember: it wasn't just people that have sped up climate change, it is widespread loss of massive numbers of ruminants, and desertification.
We really aren't far away from "desert farming" already - may seem a dumb claim when you poor buggers are knee deep in mud - but what can grown if you turn off all the ships for 4 months?

May as well be farming rocks, in that case.

Ag has some huge issues to face, look the wrong way for ...? years, the problems still remain....

So, yes it can, but we have to look at the big picture, some land is fit for trees, some for grass, some for cropping and grass... our animals are our ticket to a future.
Machines don't do sh!t for free.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
yet they blame the ruminants
easy target I spose
They do the same thing most farmers do for a living - examine part of the issue instead of the whole, until they can't see the wood for the trees

(yes, that was f**king poor) :oops:
you can get a machine that sh1ts ? WTF will they think of next
Yes, it fertilises, helps incorporate its muck, helps with reseeding, lives on food from the sun.... replicates itself and we can eat it :whistle:

Of course, animals are the problem, how silly.... :facepalm:

In actual fact, plants aren't the whole answer, the whole foodweb is the answer.
Mainly microbes, that is why ruminants are vital to our survival, they eat things we can't, house microbes we don't, and have a massive net energy gain.

You can tell I'm a vegetarian from way over there, upside down....
 
Don’t hate the player.....
hate the game.

I think the concept of the Rhi could have been fantastic, but there are so many flaws that the government missed.

You can’t really blame the installers or operators for doing what they have done.

Blame the rule makers.
They made the systems eligible.

Precisely, and Tony Blair started the process by signing up to commitments that he had now idea how to fulfil, and those following in his wake have tried with the RHI, but fair botched it up
 

collie

Member
Just another thought could be a bigger problem. They are banning plastic pokey sticks because bad for the environment but where will they get the wood from to make paper ones when they have burnt it all for woodchip
Might have to use a finger to poke the little bits!
 

Cluny

Member
Location
Aberfeldy
I firmly believe green energy should only be from the energy is produced from the free fuel that the sun wind and rain gov us eg
Solar Wind power and Hydro. No manufacturing process involved
 

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