Do hunts not understand the word No

[CornishTone]

Victoria has 13 packs of hounds, not sure about the rest of Australia.

Much more popular in NZ (where there are no foxes).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hound_packs_of_New_Zealand

Adelaide has pack of Fox Hounds, kennelled not far from where I live. My sister has hunted with them on one of her visits.

I have to say, despite hunting regularly in my childhood, I've always felt uncomfortable with digging out foxes and cubs. To my mind if the fox goes to ground it's won. Of course, that's from a sporting point of view. Those solely interested in pest control may see it differently.

Here in Australia it's slightly different of course. They are an introduced, feral pest and cause untold damage to native fauna. They simply do not belong here and need to be eradicated. Shoot them, poison them, trap them, hunt them, doesn't matter! Cats = same same!

Interestingly, there is a study going on in the north of SA to see the effect of Dingos on feral pests and native fauna. Much like the wolves of Yellowstone, where they are reintroduced feral pests are killed and small native marsupials reappear. They appear to have a profound and positive effect on biodiversity in the arid centre of the country. They are very good at killing foxes and cats but are likely to be about as popular with farmers as reintroducing wolves into the UK!

Sorry, I digress!

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

I have to say, despite hunting regularly in my childhood, I've always felt uncomfortable with digging out foxes and cubs. To my mind if the fox goes to ground it's won. Of course, that's from a sporting point of view. Those solely interested in pest control may see it differently.

This is illustrated by the differences between the rules set out by the MFHA and those of the American MFHA (who state that quarry must not be evicted by terriers under any circumstances).

http://www.mfha.com/docs/guidebooks/codeofhuntingpractices2015.pdf

Americans often describe it as "Fox chasing" where catching the quarry isn't actually an objective and riding across country is the primary motive (even though Red Foxes are an alien species).

It has been said that in America, the hounds catch the fox with the help of the huntsman, whereas in England the huntsman caught the fox with the help of the hounds.

 

[Pond digger]

Adelaide has pack of Fox Hounds, kennelled not far from where I live. My sister has hunted with them on one of her visits.

I have to say, despite hunting regularly in my childhood, I've always felt uncomfortable with digging out foxes and cubs. To my mind if the fox goes to ground it's won. Of course, that's from a sporting point of view. Those solely interested in pest control may see it differently.

Here in Australia it's slightly different of course. They are an introduced, feral pest and cause untold damage to native fauna. They simply do not belong here and need to be eradicated. Shoot them, poison them, trap them, hunt them, doesn't matter! Cats = same same!

Interestingly, there is a study going on in the north of SA to see the effect of Dingos on feral pests and native fauna. Much like the wolves of Yellowstone, where they are reintroduced feral pests are killed and small native marsupials reappear. They appear to have a profound and positive effect on biodiversity in the arid centre of the country. They are very good at killing foxes and cats but are likely to be about as popular with farmers as reintroducing wolves into the UK!

Sorry, I digress!

Your digression is interesting, so you're excused.

 

[Magnum Man]

It's such an outdated method of fox control. How can a whole heap of horses and dogs be more effective than a chap with a rifle?

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

The two are not comparable.

The number of horses involved is of no relevance to the fox, as they traditionally played no direct part in his demise.

It all depends how you define effective, which goes way beyond the remit of this thread.

In terms of numbers of dead foxes per man hour or per pound spent, one man with two terriers, a tin of poison and a rifle & lamp could achieve more in one year than 10 packs of foxhounds.

 

[DRC]

One of the huntsman decided to ride down the public footpath I'd left unsown in the barley field. If a walker breaks an ankle, will I be liable?

 

[michael N123]

Only if hit properly, lots of foxes are not hit properly and suffer alot from being wounded.

243 and ballistic tips seem to turn them inside out no suffering with them

 

[Tarw Coch]

View attachment 489586 One of the huntsman decided to ride down the public footpath I'd left unsown in the barley field. If a walker breaks an ankle, will I be liable?

Is tat a meter wide

Sorry fee spelling bin to pub tonith

 

[Hilly]

243 and ballistic tips seem to turn them inside out no suffering with them

Not everyone uses a 243 ballistic tip though do they,

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

One of the huntsman decided to ride down the public footpath I'd left unsown in the barley field. If a walker breaks an ankle, will I be liable?

No more than if it were a footprint from a cow.

I'm going to be a pendant,

unless it was a joint meet, there would have only been one huntsman crossing your land. Not everyone who takes a horse hunting is a huntsman (common media myth).

 

[Paddington]

No more than if it were a footprint from a cow.

I'm going to be a pendant,

unless it was a joint meet, there would have only been one huntsman crossing your land. Not everyone who takes a horse hunting is a huntsman (common media myth).

I thought a pendant is one that dangles.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

It certainly is.

(morning typing error...)

 

[DRC]

No more than if it were a footprint from a cow.

I'm going to be a pendant,

unless it was a joint meet, there would have only been one huntsman crossing your land. Not everyone who takes a horse hunting is a huntsman (common media myth).

Think it was a Wipper in. Difference is I wouldn't have cows out in middle of winter.
I haven't minded them coming this year, as it was dry and the tack sheep hadn't arrived.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

One single horse with no hound prints was probably a whipper-in, possibly heading to a boundary or being sent to herd stray hounds (whilst being called every name under the sun).

 

[nelly55]

One single horse with no hound prints was probably a whipper-in, possibly heading to a boundary or being sent to herd stray hounds (whilst being called every name under the sun).

So it is alright for them to ride anywhere they like ,collecting hounds.At which point is land private and the owner says no access.Even the local horse riders would not go onto farm land without permission.They do themselves no good by going where they like.Judging by the noise and commotions the other week the hounds were out of control,had crossed the river and running riot at this side.

 

[Lazy Sod]

Who started the pedant's revolt? Which Tyler.
Sorry, old joke.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Have to say I find it astounding that hunts are entering property with out permission.

If this happened around here all the farmer's would pull permission on principle. They are always v grateful and contiounly stress that the main (only) ingredient to they need to hunt is permission from land owners.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

So it is alright for them to ride anywhere they like ,collecting hounds.At which point is land private and the owner says no access.

Unless you want hounds left on your land unattended?

The whipper-in has enough to worry about without keeping a note of whose field is whose (unless he is likely to get shot at).



I remember many (15+) years ago being involved in a dispute with a landowner who had a badger sett. He didn't want any hounds or horses on his land.

Every time we were near his land a fox would run to the badger sett and the hounds would "mark to ground". Someone would then have to go, on foot, to get the hounds back.

We couldn't get him to understand that if an earthstopper filled the holes in before hunting started, then the fox would not go to ground in the sett and hounds would not be lingering on his land

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Have to say I find it astounding that hunts are entering property without permission.

In Ireland, I believe the law relating to liability is very different. If you give permission for someone to enter your land, you are responsible/liable for their welfare. Landowners don't want the responsibility so no formal permission is granted.

As a result, burglars have no rights and hounds are shot and poisoned very regularly.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Pity burglars and shot and poisoned!