Do Scottish suckler farmers need support??? Here are the figures

[Henarar]

we would all

 

[Bossfarmer]

BUT

the expense is £3BN/yr----don't know how that figures per taxpayer or per £ paid in tax & i don't think it matters really

What matters is investing the money to the best advantage(value for money) ----and subsidizing ineffective businesses when we can get the same product elsewhere for less money is not a good investment in the eyes of the taxpayer it must be better off spent on things we want like NHS/schools/transport improvements

you need to give us some detail how much is a lower tax bracket tax payer paying towards subs per week? and how much would the price of food rise if the exchange rate were to weaken and no home produce to fill the shelves?

 

[brigadoon]

BUT

you need to give us some detail how much is a lower tax bracket tax payer paying towards subs per week? and how much would the price of food rise if the exchange rate were to weaken and no home produce to fill the shelves?

Maybe you could give us that detail since both form central planks of your perpetual argument?

£42.50 for every person in the house and probably not at all if tariff walls are relaxed

 

[Tim W]

BUT

you need to give us some detail how much is a lower tax bracket tax payer paying towards subs per week? and how much would the price of food rise if the exchange rate were to weaken and no home produce to fill the shelves?

I can't answer these questions --- i don't know the answers and there are too many variables for me to make any kind of guess

But whatever the answer it doesn't really matter---what matters is that the best information we have is that ag. support is due to change/reduce and if/when that happens you need to be prepared
If you can plan to adapt and stay in business then it may be prudent to do so ---if you think it's not possible then you need to look at alternatives. The most radical alternative may be to liquidize assets and re-invest in a different business but i'm sure there are many other options if you look for them

Look ---what are the options?
1) Keep on keeping on & expect someone to take pity if you whinge enough
2) Change/modify/adapt the business to keep up with expected changes
3) Sell assets and re-invest in something else

The choice is yours but when there are plenty of farmers that don't think the subsidy system is a good idea how can you expect the rest of the population to be sympathetic ? Doesn't it make you think you should be looking for a Plan B ?

 

[Henarar]

1 sounds good to me

 

[FonterraFarmer]

No, not at all, I have had a PM from a mod about it but the only reason I mentioned it at all was: so that we may all take a wee look at what we intend to post before we click 'the button'.

I am aware that I can be very headstrong but that is likely due to the fact that I analyse farm businesses as a job - I'd get nowhere if I simply said what people want to hear, we all benefit from critique in my own opinion - but I also "get" the timezone difference means that many of you will log on to a bunch of posts from me, on matters outside my circle of influence.
That will be tiresome I expect.

Anyway, carry on, that's enough from me on the subject as it is - you'll all know my views on the subjects of marketing, protection, and how to adapt to changing environments.

Repetition is only good for learning your elevens and twelves

KP

The reality is some people just can't handle the truth or an alturnative opinion or solution to a problem.Some posts have to be read with adjustments due to time difference ie Saturday morning and quite often those north of the equator that maybe offended by the antipodean content, well, thats karma, get over it.

 

[Treg]

1 sounds good to me

How come we've only been given 3 options?
I think Mr Gove said farmers deserve to have time for a pint at the end of their working day, is that option 4?
Can that be added to option 1?
or will I have to resubmit my claim?
Will numbers of pints be restricted by farm size?

 

[M-J-G]

Look ---what are the options?
1) Keep on keeping on & expect someone to take pity if you whinge enough
2) Change/modify/adapt the business to keep up with expected changes
3) Sell assets and re-invest in something else

The choice is yours but when there are plenty of farmers that don't think the subsidy system is a good idea how can you expect the rest of the population to be sympathetic ? Doesn't it make you think you should be looking for a Plan B ?

Well summed up, these are pretty much the options.

In some ways it's a shame it's not closer to Christmas, otherwise Santa may be able to help.

No, not even he can deliver that.

 

[M-J-G]

The reality is some people just can't handle the truth or an alturnative opinion or solution to a problem.Some posts have to be read with adjustments due to time difference ie Saturday morning and quire often those north of the equator that maybe offended by the antipodean content, well, thats karma, get over it.

And some people are just plain stupid, and forget that the world is smaller than it used to be.
You never know who you'e going to bump into these days.

 

[Bossfarmer]

I can't answer these questions --- i don't know the answers and there are too many variables for me to make any kind of guess

But whatever the answer it doesn't really matter---what matters is that the best information we have is that ag. support is due to change/reduce and if/when that happens you need to be prepared
If you can plan to adapt and stay in business then it may be prudent to do so ---if you think it's not possible then you need to look at alternatives. The most radical alternative may be to liquidize assets and re-invest in a different business but i'm sure there are many other options if you look for them

Look ---what are the options?
1) Keep on keeping on & expect someone to take pity if you whinge enough
2) Change/modify/adapt the business to keep up with expected changes
3) Sell assets and re-invest in something else

The choice is yours but when there are plenty of farmers that don't think the subsidy system is a good idea how can you expect the rest of the population to be sympathetic ? Doesn't it make you think you should be looking for a Plan B ?

some real drivel being put on here by farmers jealous of other farmers payments they are not thinking clearly, why are other countries backing their own farmers?? there must be a reason????

 

[Henarar]

some real drivel being put on here by farmers jealous of other farmers payments they are not thinking clearly, why are other countries backing their own farmers?? there must be a reason????

you are coming across as jealous of other farmers payments, just you are looking at farmers in other country's and rightly so

 

[ollie989898]

Name and shame that's what I say. It can only be one of 2 or 3 people . But whoever it was @Kiwi Pete I'd like to apologise on their behalf, there's no need for it. Problem is there are a few on here that can not see any further than the end of their nose.

What.the.actual.f**k!

Sending threatening or abusive communications is illegal and should be reported to the forum staff.

That someone like KP has been threatened is a disgrace.

 

[Tim W]

some real drivel being put on here by farmers jealous of other farmers payments they are not thinking clearly, why are other countries backing their own farmers?? there must be a reason????

Looks like it's option 1) then

 

[Bossfarmer]

you are coming across as jealous of other farmers payments, just you are looking at farmers in other country's and rightly so

no im being realistic that is our direct competition

 

[rob1]

no im being realistic that is our direct competition

If you spent as much time working through the options you have as you do bleating about how unfair life has been to you, you may well have found the solution. I have said to you several times, but once again NO ONE gives a sh!t about food security or if uk farmers make a living, grow up and make some decisions about your future, if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen quick the fire brigade arent coming to rescue you

 

[Henarar]

but once again NO ONE gives a sh!t about food security

I don't think that is true

 

[rob1]

I don't think that is true

Ok no one that can make any difference to farm prices, no government wants dearer food and they will only care when food is scarce and that hasnt happened for 70 years

 

[Henarar]

we will see

 

[hillman]

Shy of a 1000 posts any the wiser ?

Two camps it seems, one is keep as is and hope the sub keeps coming...

Or other adapt and change your system and look at all costs....

I have a feeling option 2 is the way to go ...but I'm a subsidy junkie that evokes the green eye monster

 

[M-J-G]

Shy of a 1000 posts any the wiser ?

Two camps it seems, one is keep as is and hope the sub keeps coming...

Or other adapt and change your system and look at all costs....

I have a feeling option 2 is the way to go ...but I'm a subsidy junkie that evokes the green eye monster

All I've learned is that people will change facts to suit theories rather than changing theories to suit facts.