Do the English just love a Toff?

kfpben

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Location
Mid Hampshire
The successful, multi term winning U.K. Prime Ministers in the past few decades have mostly been very posh and getting posher.
Do the English voters broadly love a toff? How else can we explain Rees-Mogg?

Blair, PM for 3 terms, Fettes (the Eton of Scotland). Oxford.
Brown. Not a toff. Defeated in a GE.
Cameron, PM for 2 terms (ish), Eton.
May. Not a toff. Lost her majority.
Boris. Eton. Oxford. Super Toff. Currently an electoral powerhouse.

Mrs. Thatcher was famously ‘the Grocer’s daughter’ and a Grammar School girl but to the modern ear sounds very plummy.

Do we just feel safer with a Toff in charge?

NB. I don’t think this works for Scotland and Wales. Celts don’t seem to vote for Toffs.
 

Bongodog

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Boris may have been educated at Eton and seem posh, but their family background appears to have little money. His sister has written about being brought up in a tumbledown Exmoor farmhouse. I get the impression that Stanley Johnson is/was a bit of a chancer who bluffed himself and his offspring to the top.
 

kfpben

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Location
Mid Hampshire
Boris may have been educated at Eton and seem posh, but their family background appears to have little money. His sister has written about being brought up in a tumbledown Exmoor farmhouse. I get the impression that Stanley Johnson is/was a bit of a chancer who bluffed himself and his offspring to the top.
I don’t think you can be poor and go to Eton (except perhaps for the occasional special award scheme) but you don’t have to be mega wealthy either.
I doubt the Johnsons were getting grub from the food bank though.
 
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unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
The successful, multi term winning U.K. Prime Ministers in the past few decades have mostly been very posh and getting posher.
Do the English voters broadly love a toff? How else can we explain Rees-Mogg?

Blair, PM for 3 terms, Fettes (the Eton of Scotland). Oxford.
Brown. Not a toff. Defeated in a GE.
Cameron, PM for 2 terms (ish), Eton.
May. Not a toff. Lost her majority.
Boris. Eton. Oxford. Super Toff. Currently an electoral powerhouse.

Mrs. Thatcher was famously ‘the Grocer’s daughter’ and a Grammar School girl but to the modern ear sounds very plummy.

Do we just feel safer with a Toff in charge?

NB. I don’t think this works for Scotland and Wales. Celts don’t seem to vote for Toffs.

Yes.
 

Bald Rick

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
I don’t think you can be poor and go to Eton (except perhaps for the occasional special award scheme) but you don’t have to be mega wealthy either.
I doubt the Johnsons were getting grub from the food bank though.

£14,197/term or x3 for the year gets you in.
Plus uniforms
Plus sports kit
Plus day trips out
Plus spending money
Plus plus plus

Be more like £20,000/term or have the ability to spaff £60k a year on your brat without blinking.
So, yeah, you do need to be mega wealthy
 

Bald Rick

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
And he looked like a bullying knut even then

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Bongodog

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I don’t think you can be poor and go to Eton (except perhaps for the occasional special award scheme) but you don’t have to be mega wealthy either.
I doubt the Johnsons were getting grub from the food bank though.
He gained a scholarship for both Eton and Oxford so definitely reduced fees. I've always had the opinion that elite educational establishments only grant scholarships to the "right sort of people" well bred but slightly impoverished, the children of the working classes whilst on the face of it eligible stand zero chance.
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
The successful, multi term winning U.K. Prime Ministers in the past few decades have mostly been very posh and getting posher.
Do the English voters broadly love a toff? How else can we explain Rees-Mogg?

Blair, PM for 3 terms, Fettes (the Eton of Scotland). Oxford.
Brown. Not a toff. Defeated in a GE.
Cameron, PM for 2 terms (ish), Eton.
May. Not a toff. Lost her majority.
Boris. Eton. Oxford. Super Toff. Currently an electoral powerhouse.

Mrs. Thatcher was famously ‘the Grocer’s daughter’ and a Grammar School girl but to the modern ear sounds very plummy.

Do we just feel safer with a Toff in charge?

NB. I don’t think this works for Scotland and Wales. Celts don’t seem to vote for Toffs.
A lot of the SW is Tory and we are a bunch of total Celts.
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
Patience with the government is wearing thin from what I hear. If shortages of basic raw materials continue I can see them becoming very unpopular fairly quickly. Being a comedian won’t be good enough.
Commodity prices are rising everywhere. Things like timber for instance. Inflation is coming but most people are not feeling it just yet. It could be pretty bad.
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
and thats boris s fault ?
Yes I’d say the government is partly to blame. It’s their job to ensure the security of supply of resources for the country. We see British Steel for example being pushed from pillar to post. It should have been renationalised and secured to make sure we retain an essential primary industry.
The government should ensure we retain a critical mass of strategically important industries, farming included but I’m really don’t have much confidence in them.
 

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