Do we need stricter gun laws?

Do we need stricter gun laws

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 16.3%
  • No

    Votes: 67 83.8%

  • Total voters
    80
AFAIK for a shotgun cert it's up to the authorities to prove you should not own one, rather than you having to prove you should.

And who actually NEEDS to own a shotgun or rifle apart from gamekeepers and others who need it as part of their job?

Farmers don't need a shotgun as not every farmer has one. Certainly someone living in the middle of a City like Plymouth has no need of any type of firearm. A wish yes, but a need, no.

As I see it, the current shotgun laws are like saving everyone should be given a driving licence at 17 as long as their GP and friends say it's OK. Then, if they have an accident, they can be banned for a few weeks.
Nobody NEEDS to own a motorcycle. They're dangerous to the rider, dangerous to other road users, difficult to regulate in the same way as cars due to rear plates only, can facilitate criminal getaways down narrow streets where police cars can't follow. They must cause hundreds of deaths every single year, if not thousands, and all for something that could be banned completely because the riders could all just drive cars instead. Nobody NEEDS to own a motorcycle.

That's before we even get started on alcohol. If the stuff was invented tomorrow, it would be a Class A drug. Causes thousands of deaths every single year. And the best of it is, nobody NEEDS to drink it.
 

penntor

Member
Location
sw devon
There is no way I would tell the police so much as a patient's name without the consent of the patient first

But you do consent for the police to contact your GP when you complete the form, not sure which section but it does ask for your consent.
 
Location
southwest
Nobody NEEDS to own a motorcycle. They're dangerous to the rider, dangerous to other road users, difficult to regulate in the same way as cars due to rear plates only, can facilitate criminal getaways down narrow streets where police cars can't follow. They must cause hundreds of deaths every single year, if not thousands, and all for something that could be banned completely because the riders could all just drive cars instead. Nobody NEEDS to own a motorcycle.

That's before we even get started on alcohol. If the stuff was invented tomorrow, it would be a Class A drug. Causes thousands of deaths every single year. And the best of it is, nobody NEEDS to drink it.
Death by motorbike is accidental. The Plymouth murders were deliberate and may well have not happened if the killer didn't have access to a shotgun he owned legally.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Death by motorbike is accidental. The Plymouth murders were deliberate and may well have not happened if the killer didn't have access to a shotgun he owned legally.
If someone wants to kill/injure someone they find a weapon.
His option was a shotgun.
Could have easily been a car, motorbike, knife, acid, alkaline, petrol
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
I rather think that the case in question has gone rather quiet simply because the legislation and checks that are in place failed, as do most procedures administered by government departments. More legislation will not solve that problem We can now look forward to buck passing on a grand scale and the whole thing will fizzle out..
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
I rather think that the case in question has gone rather quiet simply because the legislation and checks that are in place failed, as do most procedures administered by government departments. More legislation will not solve that problem We can now look forward to buck passing on a grand scale and the whole thing will fizzle out..
Usual civil service line is.
We have [email protected] up, "lessons will be learnt" , until the next [email protected] up.

I've filled in out side of the quotations
Are you suggesting that bikers are trying to kill themselves?

The signs along the A377 road point towards that.
"Watch for bikes in your blindspot"

Why would you position yourself where someone cannot see you easily?
Even kids are told not to cross between parked cars, don't see any signs for that in towns?
 
If someone wants to kill/injure someone they find a weapon.
His option was a shotgun.
Could have easily been a car, motorbike, knife, acid, alkaline, petrol
or as I heard in the news this morning in New Zealand, a knife, I have also heard that London is the worlds acid attack capital (but that may have more to do with the policing policies of Sadiq Khan)
 
I rather think that the case in question has gone rather quiet simply because the legislation and checks that are in place failed, as do most procedures administered by government departments. More legislation will not solve that problem We can now look forward to buck passing on a grand scale and the whole thing will fizzle out..
That is often the case, the laws are adequate but implementation has failed, so the politicians response (aided by the media) is always, more draconian laws rather than implement what is already there.
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
That is often the case, the laws are adequate but implementation has failed, so the politicians response (aided by the media) is always, more draconian laws rather than implement what is already there.
Yes, no doubt he could have done more damage with a shotgun but by the sound of it he wouldn't have been allowed a legal one. He was under 'close surveillance' by the cops but still managed to stab 6 people before they nailed him. Citizens of NZ should stock up on bread knives now and hide them well as they will be illegal soon. Not that anyone can leave their house which makes everything safer for everyone of course.
 

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