betweenthelines
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Perhaps someone who can't sustain a reasoned argument and resorts to cheap racism, isn't the roght person to have any sort of firearm.
Do we need stricter gun laws?
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Perhaps someone who can't sustain a reasoned argument and resorts to cheap racism, isn't the roght person to have any sort of firearm.
How woke you sound.
A few ? counting air guns shooters several million shoot in the UK ......
The Value of Shooting
Highlighting the economic, environmental and social benefits of shooting to the UK
Highlighting the economic, environmental and social benefits of shooting to the UK
Main findings
In the UK- Shooters spend £2.5 billion each year on goods and services
- Shooting supports the equivalent of 74,000 full time jobs
- Shooting is worth £2 billion to the UK economy (GVA)
- Shooting is involved in the management of two-thirds of the rural land area
- There are 4 million (est) airgun owners – of which 1.6 m shoot live quarry
- 600,000 people in the UK shoot live quarry, clay pigeons or targets
- Shoot providers spend nearly £250 million a year on conservation
- Shooters spend 3.9 million work days on conservation – that’s the equivalent of 16,000 full-time jobs
- Two million hectares are actively managed for conservation as a result of shooting
16 shooting and countryside organisations commissioned a comprehensive study to ascertain exactly what shooting is worth.
The survey - carried out by Cambridge-based Public and Corporate Economic Consultants (PACEC) - was to assess the economic, environmental and social benefits of shooting sports.
This independent and statistically robust report gives us the latest facts and figures. It demonstrates that shooting is involved in the management of most of the countryside, actively shaping the world around us with hundreds of millions of pounds of privately funded conservation effort. It records the hundreds of thousands of people who find their recreation and sport in the countryside and on the shooting ranges and clay grounds across the country. It shows, for the first time, the social benefits of an active recreation enjoyed by people of all ages and backgrounds.
The full report can be found Here
betweenthelines
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That's chicken feed compared to street prostitution and dealing in illegal drugs-better get both those things legalised pdq
FYI, I was actually responding to your post about the "sport" of "Practical Shotgun"
FYI, I was actually responding to your post about the "sport" of "Practical Shotgun"
Pieces_of_Eight
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The majority of sports involve a minority of people.
I can't decide if you actually think you have a point, or if you're just trolling for an argument.
Pieces_of_Eight
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It sounds like the type of shooting isn't relevant. Turnip would just like to ban all shooting, then turn on the next thing he doesn't like.
He seems to know a lot about drugs and prostitutes, guess the Police know he's a user and won't give him a gun license.
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- Northern Ireland
It appears most are.
Can we keep Harley Davidsons etc though? I've never owned a bike, but I have a strong desire to buy one when I get over fifty, fit a custom exhaust, and just glide around making very attractive noises.
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- People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Local bloke has applied for a shotgun.
Does not shoot.
No intrest in game shooting or shooting any wildlife.
Never shot a clay, never used a shotgun as far as I know.
Police been to see him and seem happy and think he will get it...
Does not shoot.
No intrest in game shooting or shooting any wildlife.
Never shot a clay, never used a shotgun as far as I know.
Police been to see him and seem happy and think he will get it...
So whats the issue ?
- Location
- People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Like I posted before, I think people should have to join a clay club and do some shooting with club guns for a bit to get an understanding of safety, etc before having a gun.
Also gives you a reason to have a gun.
Wanting a gun, but having no intest in shooting... don't quite sit right with me.
Pieces_of_Eight
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Rightly or wrongly, this is how the current guidelines work.
I've heard of similar, guy with plenty of cash tries some clays on a corporate day and enjoys it. Decides to take it up and fills the forms in so he can buy a gun. Paperwork comes through and he can go buy a cabinet and fill it with guns, even though he's never shot unsupervised in his life.
You said he "Never shot a clay, never used a shotgun as far as I know." so you actually dont know and are guessing , he may have joined a club / have plans to do so , he may be Ex military , he doesn't have to notify you of his intentions.
- Location
- People's Republic of South Yorkshire
At least he tried it and wants a gun for a reason....
- Location
- People's Republic of South Yorkshire
He is not ex military.
I known the bloke for many years.
He has no plans to join a club.
No plans to shoot game or vermin.
I would have thought police would ask what you want a gun for and where your planning to use it.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
He may be expecting to inherit a family heirloom and not want it damaged by deactivation. That’s pretty much why I got mine.
betweenthelines
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- southwest
That's the problem with the present system, you don't have to have a need for, or even a reason, to own a shotgun, it's up to someone to prove why you shouldn't.
For example, everyone in the street where the Plymouth killer lived could say they want to go shooting clays and I doubt if any would be refused a licence.
As an aside, I wonder how easy it is for a Muslim with no police record to get a shotgun certificate?
ollie989898
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The fact of the matter is that when legislating these things, one has to weigh up the risk posed to society against the benefit to society or the individual possessing that item. For example, allowing a bloke to own a double barrelled shotgun so he can take part in club clay shooting or whatever is one thing, but allowing him to have access to a belt fed M249 is quite another. Likewise, yes, you can dry a 44 tonne truck if you are trained and hold a license to do so. No, you cannot be let loose on one just for the lulz.
It should be mandatory for all shooters to be a member of an active firearm club and hold proper insurance as well in my view.
At the end of the day the current firearms legislation does not seek to stop the law abiding from owning a weapon. It merely lets the police sort the legal from the illegal gun owners, simplifying the job of prosecuting the latter. It is also worth knowing that if a person is intent on visiting harm on a lot of people in a short space of time, then everyday items can be just as lethal if not more so than any firearm.
It should be mandatory for all shooters to be a member of an active firearm club and hold proper insurance as well in my view.
At the end of the day the current firearms legislation does not seek to stop the law abiding from owning a weapon. It merely lets the police sort the legal from the illegal gun owners, simplifying the job of prosecuting the latter. It is also worth knowing that if a person is intent on visiting harm on a lot of people in a short space of time, then everyday items can be just as lethal if not more so than any firearm.
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
to be fair, I totally disagree with you, if someone wants a shotgun, they should not have to prove a reason, wanting is enough reason, the long arm of the state is interfering enough as it is now already.