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Farmers don't need a shotgun as not every farmer has one.
Not every farmer has tractors or machinery... so by your logic farmers don't need tractors or machinery.
Farmers don't need a shotgun as not every farmer has one.
Nobody NEEDS to own a motorcycle. They're dangerous to the rider, dangerous to other road users, difficult to regulate in the same way as cars due to rear plates only, can facilitate criminal getaways down narrow streets where police cars can't follow. They must cause hundreds of deaths every single year, if not thousands, and all for something that could be banned completely because the riders could all just drive cars instead. Nobody NEEDS to own a motorcycle.AFAIK for a shotgun cert it's up to the authorities to prove you should not own one, rather than you having to prove you should.
And who actually NEEDS to own a shotgun or rifle apart from gamekeepers and others who need it as part of their job?
Farmers don't need a shotgun as not every farmer has one. Certainly someone living in the middle of a City like Plymouth has no need of any type of firearm. A wish yes, but a need, no.
As I see it, the current shotgun laws are like saving everyone should be given a driving licence at 17 as long as their GP and friends say it's OK. Then, if they have an accident, they can be banned for a few weeks.
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If you can manage without something, then by definition, you don't need it
What if you need to put down a cow and the vet or knackerman can't come out for 24 hours? I've been in that situation and the recommended tool is a shotgun.Correct.
If you can manage without something, then by definition, you don't need it
Death by motorbike is accidental. The Plymouth murders were deliberate and may well have not happened if the killer didn't have access to a shotgun he owned legally.Nobody NEEDS to own a motorcycle. They're dangerous to the rider, dangerous to other road users, difficult to regulate in the same way as cars due to rear plates only, can facilitate criminal getaways down narrow streets where police cars can't follow. They must cause hundreds of deaths every single year, if not thousands, and all for something that could be banned completely because the riders could all just drive cars instead. Nobody NEEDS to own a motorcycle.
That's before we even get started on alcohol. If the stuff was invented tomorrow, it would be a Class A drug. Causes thousands of deaths every single year. And the best of it is, nobody NEEDS to drink it.
If someone wants to kill/injure someone they find a weapon.Death by motorbike is accidental. The Plymouth murders were deliberate and may well have not happened if the killer didn't have access to a shotgun he owned legally.
How is weaving in and out of traffic breaking the speed limit accidental?Death by motorbike is accidental. The Plymouth murders were deliberate and may well have not happened if the killer didn't have access to a shotgun he owned legally.
How often do you follow a motorbike which is adhering to the speed limit ? They are deliberately built to give an adrenaline buzz to the rider while using irresponsibly on public roads.How is weaving in and out of traffic breaking the speed limit accidental?
It's just waiting for the inevitable to happen
How is weaving in and out of traffic breaking the speed limit accidental?
It's just waiting for the inevitable to happen
Usual civil service line is.I rather think that the case in question has gone rather quiet simply because the legislation and checks that are in place failed, as do most procedures administered by government departments. More legislation will not solve that problem We can now look forward to buck passing on a grand scale and the whole thing will fizzle out..
Are you suggesting that bikers are trying to kill themselves?
or as I heard in the news this morning in New Zealand, a knife, I have also heard that London is the worlds acid attack capital (but that may have more to do with the policing policies of Sadiq Khan)If someone wants to kill/injure someone they find a weapon.
His option was a shotgun.
Could have easily been a car, motorbike, knife, acid, alkaline, petrol
That is often the case, the laws are adequate but implementation has failed, so the politicians response (aided by the media) is always, more draconian laws rather than implement what is already there.I rather think that the case in question has gone rather quiet simply because the legislation and checks that are in place failed, as do most procedures administered by government departments. More legislation will not solve that problem We can now look forward to buck passing on a grand scale and the whole thing will fizzle out..
Exactly.That is often the case, the laws are adequate but implementation has failed, so the politicians response (aided by the media) is always, more draconian laws rather than implement what is already there.
No but lots of them take stupid risks which end up that way ,not accidents imoAre you suggesting that bikers are trying to kill themselves?
Yes, no doubt he could have done more damage with a shotgun but by the sound of it he wouldn't have been allowed a legal one. He was under 'close surveillance' by the cops but still managed to stab 6 people before they nailed him. Citizens of NZ should stock up on bread knives now and hide them well as they will be illegal soon. Not that anyone can leave their house which makes everything safer for everyone of course.That is often the case, the laws are adequate but implementation has failed, so the politicians response (aided by the media) is always, more draconian laws rather than implement what is already there.
Are you suggesting that bikers are trying to kill themselves?