dock control in grassland

[DaveGrohl]

It’s sprayed off now was sown last year but just full of docks so sprayed it off a month ago. Sounds like I may have to grass it down and spray the dock for a few years

What did you spray it with?

 

[BrianV]

Tbh i dont really give a hoot what its liesenced for. Im more interested in will it kill the bugger dead or just stun them. I used forefront on spot spraying after advice from some1 that should know what hes on about and they are back growing again this year

Thankfully sheep love to eat them as a delicacy , the trouble is I'm not sure which is worse sheep or docks!

 

[milkloss]

If the docks have seeded then usually you kill the grandad dock only for the seeds in the now bare ground to grow.
With badly infested pasture, especially silage ground, it takes multiple passes to get them under control and even then there’ll be bare ground for weeds to germinate again.

a plough might be the answer if it hasn’t been turned for years…. Hopefully you’ll bring up fairly sterile soil, make sure any fym is ploughed in as well as that can be a huge source of seeds.

 

[benny6910]

What did you spray it with?

Round up

 

[ollie989898]

If the docks have seeded then usually you kill the grandad dock only for the seeds in the now bare ground to grow.
With badly infested pasture, especially silage ground, it takes multiple passes to get them under control and even then there’ll be bare ground for weeds to germinate again.

a plough might be the answer if it hasn’t been turned for years…. Hopefully you’ll bring up fairly sterile soil, make sure any fym is ploughed in as well as that can be a huge source of seeds.

Agreed, but don't go ploughing up pasture just because of BLWs. You only destroy and plough up grass if the grass species in the ley itself are carp.

3 passes of Pastor and Forefront etc will be far cheaper than a reseed.

 

[bobk]

Agreed, but don't go ploughing up pasture just because of BLWs. You only destroy and plough up grass if the grass species in the ley itself are carp.

3 passes of Pastor and Forefront etc will be far cheaper than a reseed.

Not by much Ollie

 

[ollie989898]

Not by much Ollie

You tell me the cost of:

-Grass seed/acre.

-Ploughing/powerharrowing/drilling.

1 pass round up (unless you want to enjoy couch, creeping bent or weeds from root mass proliferating in your new ley).

-Probably a pass of herbicide on the new ley.


You won't get much change out of £140 for this lot I bet.

Definitely don't want to be ploughing up land purely because of docks or thistles.

 

[bobk]

You tell me the cost of:

-Grass seed/acre.

-Ploughing/powerharrowing/drilling.

1 pass round up (unless you want to enjoy couch, creeping bent or weeds from root mass proliferating in your new ley).

-Probably a pass of herbicide on the new ley.


You won't get much change out of £140 for this lot I bet.

Definitely don't want to be ploughing up land purely because of docks or thistles.

Certainly not , but 2 litres of fluroxpyr and a litre of thistlex will cost you £16.50 an acre

How much is pastor ?

 

[ollie989898]

Certainly not , but 2 litres of fluroxpyr and a litre of thistlex will cost you £16.50 an acre

How much is pastor ?

Pastor will be more like £30 an acre I suspect these days. Forefront a touch more. I used to use Pastor at 80% dose and it cost about £18 from memory, forefront at the stiffer dose was always more like £25.

 

[bobk]

Pastor will be more like £30 an acre I suspect these days. Forefront a touch more. I used to use Pastor at 80% dose and it cost about £18 from memory, forefront at the stiffer dose was always more like £25.

Indeed , and the above mixture basically is Pastor

 

[ollie989898]

Indeed , and the above mixture basically is Pastor

I'm not sure how the active ingredient loadings pan out but certainly pastor used to be very very good, though I would only ever use it where I had a mixture of docks, nettles and thistles, which fortunately was a rare thing.

Patches of nettles and thistles are best attacked with a knapsack/quadbike using grazon- the dose per weed is far greater.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Certainly not , but 2 litres of fluroxpyr and a litre of thistlex will cost you £16.50 an acre

How much is pastor ?

£101 for 4 litres

 

[bobk]

£101 for 4 litres

Sounds cheap , sure it isn't 2 litres

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Sounds cheap , sure it isn't 2 litres

I was told 4

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Reseeding with a direct drill would cost approximately £110 acre including seed and spray but no rolling cost if needed
Not sure what the current price is for ploughing

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Ploughing option £135 with Seed again no rolling

 

[Cheesehead]

The most frustrating thing we have other than ants trying to recreate the Himalayas is broom in the pasture that has oat like seed heads as the sheep will touch everything else first and only touch it after it's been topped even if you cut it low it seeds out from an inch. We have tried ploughing we have tried spraying it off growing a fodder crop before seeding it back in the autumn but because it's in a lot of the hedges and verges with in a short order it's back again.

Thistles and nettles we seem to get on with 2,4D or MCPA or a mix of both clover if it does off we find it easier to treat the issue then scratch it in afterward though that is with white clover as we have never tried it with red.

 

[Sid]

Reseeding with a direct drill would cost approximately £110 acre including seed and spray but no rolling cost if needed
Not sure what the current price is for ploughing

You posted a picture this week of ploughing, didn't you ask before he started the job?

 

[Kevtherev]

Adas have been doing work on our many trail plots here for years , mainly on docks and lately chickweed , testing Clover safe sprays , hope something eventually comes out of it

Would like to see a link to that trial work as find it very interesting.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

You posted a picture this week of ploughing, didn't you ask before he started the job?

I've posted the price