Dock sprays

nails

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Location
East Dorset
Don't those same bugs clear the clover out too though?
No, they mainly eat docks, we have loads of clover red and white. It is right that they dont appear till July - August but thet really can decimate docks . We actually catch some beetles and take them to other fields with docks in them . I think dock sprays would not be too beneficial to the beetles . Pastor is a known worm killer so whilst you control your docks , you nobble your worm population.The real problem weed in an organic situation i find is creeping thistle
 

Razor8

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Location
Ireland
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Are these docks to far gone or do I need to top and then spray with doxstar. Field destroyed

Lots of clover in field but going to have to bite the bullet
 
Location
Cleveland
It is but a few are heading to seed. Should of been done a few weeks ago
I suspect you've been topping them when they're in seed, that's why you've got so many now, you're just scattering the seeds about.....I'd pull the ones that have gone to seed and bin them then spray the rest or you'll have no grass
 

milkloss

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
View attachment 373474 View attachment 373476 Are these docks to far gone or do I need to top and then spray with doxstar. Field destroyed

Lots of clover in field but going to have to bite the bullet

Nice!! At least I don't feel such a failure now I've seen a dock crop similar to mine. I'd spray now and use hatchet xtra, half the price of doxstar, that's what I'm doing.
 

Razor8

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Location
Ireland
It is but a few a heading to seed. Should of been done a few week
Nice!! At least I don't feel such a failure now I've seen a dock crop similar to mine. I'd spray now and use hatchet xtra, half the price of doxstar, that's what I'm doing.

It's a 4 acre field and 2 acres are like that. Dunno how it's got so bad. The fields either side of it have nearly no docks but had lots of nettles in the spring that I wiped out by spot spraying with grazon 90
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
I know this one has been done and done but we seem to have a monumental dock crop in a few fields this year.

Last year we sprayed a couple of fields with 1.5l / ha of hatchet extra ( 200g/l fluroxypyr) and it did a reasonable job

Are there any other generic products that achieve a good kill or is it worth the much higher cost to use dockstar ( 150g/l fluroxypyr plus 150g/l tryclopyr.

Thanks.
How you getting on gave you tried anything else or that straight
 
If you get the timing spot on with straight fluroxypor (hatcher, hurler, starane etc) it will do a great job. By far my best results have been with rapidly growing regrowth in May Jun following silage or scalping grazing with a mower 3 weeks before.

If you get the timing wrong you will kill the tops but they'll be back next season albeit a bit weaker. Spraying too soon is better than too late.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
If you get the timing spot on with straight fluroxypor (hatcher, hurler, starane etc) it will do a great job. By far my best results have been with rapidly growing regrowth in May Jun following silage or scalping grazing with a mower 3 weeks before.

If you get the timing wrong you will kill the tops but they'll be back next season albeit a bit weaker. Spraying too soon is better than too late.
I need to spray next week .Did them with mcpa last year and they have come back worse .They are quite young atm
 
I need to spray next week .Did them with mcpa last year and they have come back worse .They are quite young atm

MCPA alone is not great on docks; It would be the last thing I would use if Im honest. Use fluroxpyr which is just as cheap but far far better.

Dicamba is hot on them, if you could get Dicamba, MCPA and fluroxypyr in mix it would be great on docks, ok on thistles and ok on buttercup.


The trick is dont spray a dock that has grown up in the air and they want to be unfolded like a load of rhubarb and about the size of a sheet of A4. No bigger and no smaller.

All of the chemicals on this thread require warm weather and good growing conditions not 3 degrees at night. Believe me I have many acres of dock control look unimpressive because it was done too early.

If you really must spray early in the year in cool conditions you need to pay your money for Dow product like doxstar. There is no cheap option.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
MCPA alone is not great on docks; It would be the last thing I would use if Im honest. Use fluroxpyr which is just as cheap but far far better.

Dicamba is hot on them, if you could get Dicamba, MCPA and fluroxypyr in mix it would be great on docks, ok on thistles and ok on buttercup.


The trick is dont spray a dock that has grown up in the air and they want to be unfolded like a load of rhubarb and about the size of a sheet of A4. No bigger and no smaller.

All of the chemicals on this thread require warm weather and good growing conditions not 3 degrees at night. Believe me I have many acres of dock control look unimpressive because it was done too early.

If you really must spray early in the year in cool conditions you need to pay your money for Dow product like doxstar. There is no cheap option.

Viewing some docks growing on a field of ex grazed fodder beet, I had this discussion with my agronomist. He was adamant that I should spray them (with glyphosate) asap, before they got growing vigorously. His reasoning was that, once they start growing like mad in the Spring, they are pushing everything up to the leaves and you won’t kill the roots. If you sprayed them when dormant in the winter, you would kill the root.
 
Viewing some docks growing on a field of ex grazed fodder beet, I had this discussion with my agronomist. He was adamant that I should spray them (with glyphosate) asap, before they got growing vigorously. His reasoning was that, once they start growing like mad in the Spring, they are pushing everything up to the leaves and you won’t kill the roots. If you sprayed them when dormant in the winter, you would kill the root.

Again glyphosate often struggles with them. There is definitely some source and sink changeover in docks but Im none the wiser than anyone else about when or how it changes.
 

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