Does Basis superceed Nroso?

[WOL]

Completed my Basis in crop protection 18 months ago and then asked Basis at a show, probably lamma, if i needed to carry on with the Nroso. They said no need to carry on with Nroso so i cancelled it. Now however my farm assurance inspector is asking for a Nroso number which i don't have. I'm doing my own agronomy on farm and spraying. Any thoughts on this?

 

[Badshot]

Completed my Basis in crop protection 18 months ago and then asked Basis at a show, probably lamma, if i needed to carry on with the Nroso. They said no need to carry on with Nroso so i cancelled it. Now however my farm assurance inspector is asking for a Nroso number which i don't have. I'm doing my own agronomy on farm and spraying. Any thoughts on this?

You still need nroso.

 

[Boysground]

Farm assurance tell me I have to be Nroso.

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[Rob Holmes]

AFAIK you need both

 

[farmerfred86]

I was told that a Nroso is completely voluntary. Your PA1/2 etc is a lifetime certificate and nothing to do with Nroso. The inspector is only asking the question but you don't have to have it.
Obviously common sense suggests that you should do some sort of CPD but weather it's basis or nroso or something else is up to you. Don't be fooled into paying the nroso subscription!

 

[Badshot]

Nroso is voluntary, but is a requirement of farm assurance AFAIK.

 

[Jetemp]

@WOL i was under the same impression as you!
My assurance inspector asked the same. I questioned if my basis membership was acceptable, he said not so I kept paying the nroso membership!

That assurance inspector doesn't have to be correct though!

@Woodlander might be able to give a definitive answer?

James

 

[Farmer T]

I have BASIS but my NROSO had expired which was spotted during my NSF inspection this year.

They wouldn't pass me until I had signed (and paid up) again.

Completely daft. Money for nothing and the Red Tractor don't care as long as you pay up. Ridiculous and not going to change I'm afraid.

 

[ZXR17]

I had the same problem. Basis told me I didn't need Nroso so I let it expire. Crop assurance insisted I had it.
Why don't these organisations communicate with each other?

 

[WOL]

I hate having to do more than is needed as time is precious. So collecting points for both to keep a jobsworth at red tractor in a job bugs me.

 

[Badshot]

Basis is for recommending what is applied. Nroso is for applying it.
No?
An agronomist doesn't know how to operate a sprayer, or not many anyway.

 

[WOL]

Applieing what you recommend is also part of your Basis qaulification, and many training events cover you for both sets of cpd points.

Its just more paperwork creation that isn't needed.

 

[Brisel]

Keeping your BASIS points up enables you to get your 30 points/3 years from NRoSO automatically if you ring them up. I keep both running purely for the benefit of the RT inspector. I usually have a serious surplus of NRoSO points anyway.

 

[maxxum5120]

I have had Basis for 10 years and for at least last 5 have not paid for NROSO on the advice of Basis. We are Red tractor assured for 2 businesses and its never been a problem, inspector is told same every year and it isnt a problem, with the computer system they use any non compliances need to be rectified before accreditation is updated. Basis is expensive enough, i absolutely refuse to pay for Nroso as well as its money for nothing.

 

[Farmer T]

Basis is for recommending what is applied. Nroso is for applying it.
No?
An agronomist doesn't know how to operate a sprayer, or not many anyway.

Isn't applying it covered by PA1/2?

Surely if you're not contracting elsewhere then BASIS covers you for NROSO.

If the Red Tractor stood for anything useful on the farmer's side they would acknowledge this try and help the paper work out.

 

[Badshot]

Isn't applying it covered by PA1/2?

Surely if you're not contracting elsewhere then BASIS covers you for NROSO.

If the Red Tractor stood for anything useful on the farmer's side they would acknowledge this try and help the paper work out.

Yes of course the pa1/2 is the application, but Nroso is continual professional development, basically showing you're keeping up to date and not still doing things that were acceptable in the 60's.
Yes basis ought to be accepted. But I've a feeling it's not quite the case. Getting the points will be easy enough, as both are normally given out at meetings, but it needs red tractor to accept it.

 

[ajd132]

Up to date basis automatically covers Nroso if you phone them and give them you're basis number.

 

[Jetemp]

Not in the eyes of assurance assessor!

 

[Brisel]

My Red Tractor inspector knows about this.

 

[ajd132]

Not in the eyes of assurance assessor!

It does, if you're nroso is up to date via an up to date basis how is he to know how?