Does Basis superceed Nroso?

Discussion in 'Agricultural Matters' started by WOL, Dec 29, 2016.

  1. WOL

    WOL Member

    Location:
    Lincolnshire
    Completed my Basis in crop protection 18 months ago and then asked Basis at a show, probably lamma, if i needed to carry on with the Nroso. They said no need to carry on with Nroso so i cancelled it. Now however my farm assurance inspector is asking for a Nroso number which i don't have. I'm doing my own agronomy on farm and spraying. Any thoughts on this?
     
  2. Badshot

    Badshot Member

    Location:
    Kent
    You still need nroso.
     
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  3. Boysground

    Boysground Member

    Location:
    Wiltshire
    Farm assurance tell me I have to be Nroso.

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  4. Rob Holmes

    Rob Holmes Moderator

    AFAIK you need both
     
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  5. farmerfred86

    farmerfred86 Member

    Location:
    Suffolk
    I was told that a Nroso is completely voluntary. Your PA1/2 etc is a lifetime certificate and nothing to do with Nroso. The inspector is only asking the question but you don't have to have it.
    Obviously common sense suggests that you should do some sort of CPD but weather it's basis or nroso or something else is up to you. Don't be fooled into paying the nroso subscription!
     
  6. Badshot

    Badshot Member

    Location:
    Kent
    Nroso is voluntary, but is a requirement of farm assurance AFAIK.
     
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  7. Jetemp

    Jetemp Member

    Location:
    North Yorkshire
    @WOL i was under the same impression as you!
    My assurance inspector asked the same. I questioned if my basis membership was acceptable, he said not so I kept paying the nroso membership!

    That assurance inspector doesn't have to be correct though!

    @Woodlander might be able to give a definitive answer?

    James
     
  8. Farmer T

    Farmer T Member

    Location:
    East Midlands
    I have BASIS but my NROSO had expired which was spotted during my NSF inspection this year.

    They wouldn't pass me until I had signed (and paid up) again.

    Completely daft. Money for nothing and the Red Tractor don't care as long as you pay up. Ridiculous and not going to change I'm afraid.
     
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  9. ZXR17

    ZXR17 Member

    Location:
    South Dorset
    I had the same problem. Basis told me I didn't need Nroso so I let it expire. Crop assurance insisted I had it.
    Why don't these organisations communicate with each other?
     
  10. WOL

    WOL Member

    Location:
    Lincolnshire
    I hate having to do more than is needed as time is precious. So collecting points for both to keep a jobsworth at red tractor in a job bugs me.
     
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  11. Badshot

    Badshot Member

    Location:
    Kent
    Basis is for recommending what is applied. Nroso is for applying it.
    No?
    An agronomist doesn't know how to operate a sprayer, or not many anyway.
     
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  12. WOL

    WOL Member

    Location:
    Lincolnshire
    Applieing what you recommend is also part of your Basis qaulification, and many training events cover you for both sets of cpd points.

    Its just more paperwork creation that isn't needed.
     
  13. Brisel

    Brisel Member

    Location:
    Dorset
    Keeping your BASIS points up enables you to get your 30 points/3 years from NRoSO automatically if you ring them up. I keep both running purely for the benefit of the RT inspector. I usually have a serious surplus of NRoSO points anyway.
     
  14. maxxum5120

    maxxum5120 New Member

    Location:
    S W LANCASHIRE
    I have had Basis for 10 years and for at least last 5 have not paid for NROSO on the advice of Basis. We are Red tractor assured for 2 businesses and its never been a problem, inspector is told same every year and it isnt a problem, with the computer system they use any non compliances need to be rectified before accreditation is updated. Basis is expensive enough, i absolutely refuse to pay for Nroso as well as its money for nothing.
     
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  15. Farmer T

    Farmer T Member

    Location:
    East Midlands
    Isn't applying it covered by PA1/2?

    Surely if you're not contracting elsewhere then BASIS covers you for NROSO.

    If the Red Tractor stood for anything useful on the farmer's side they would acknowledge this try and help the paper work out.
     
  16. Badshot

    Badshot Member

    Location:
    Kent
    Yes of course the pa1/2 is the application, but Nroso is continual professional development, basically showing you're keeping up to date and not still doing things that were acceptable in the 60's.
    Yes basis ought to be accepted. But I've a feeling it's not quite the case. Getting the points will be easy enough, as both are normally given out at meetings, but it needs red tractor to accept it.
     
  17. ajd132

    ajd132 Member

    Location:
    Suffolk
    Up to date basis automatically covers Nroso if you phone them and give them you're basis number.
     
  18. Jetemp

    Jetemp Member

    Location:
    North Yorkshire
    Not in the eyes of assurance assessor!
     
  19. Brisel

    Brisel Member

    Location:
    Dorset
    My Red Tractor inspector knows about this.
     
  20. ajd132

    ajd132 Member

    Location:
    Suffolk
    It does, if you're nroso is up to date via an up to date basis how is he to know how?
     

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