Does it matter what deal Boris is able to get?

[Martin Holden]

Given the almost complete lack of appetite from Labour and LD’s for any agreement that takes the UK or GB out of the EU customs arrangements, is any deal struck now going to get through Parliament? The tide in Westminster seems to be clearly remain or exit but stay in the customs union and regulations, which is not leaving of course. As another post had stated earlier Hillary Benn is now tagging on a confirmatory referendum (basically another referendum) to his extension but only when no deal is off the table. Whether you are in the remain or leave camp, many politicians are completely ignoring the “advice” the 2016 referendum supplied. I thought we lived in a democracy?? as I’ve said many times before, I voted remain but the country voted to leave, so that’s the result with no argument. Perhaps the Queens speech will be voted down while Brexit is in a vacuum so an election looms! I think a lot of MP’s are going to get a big shock, or at least they should do for wasting 3.5 years of tax payers hard earned money. They all voted for article 50 then changed their minds. Is it me or are they just not listening to the rest of us? We are only the people that put them there and keep the economy going after all!!. But we can “reward” them at the ballot box!!!!

 

[capfits]

Well as a Scot, if Northern Ireland gets a deal to throw our lot in with the EU customs union why cannot we?
So yeah it does matter.

 

[Martin Holden]

Well as a Scot, if Northern Ireland gets a deal to throw our lot in with the EU customs union why cannot we?
So yeah it does matter.

I take your point, but the referendum was a UK in total one and not a regional one unless I missed something. I would have preferred to remain and fight on, but a majority from wherever it came from in the UK voted otherwise. You can’t argue with that unless one doesn’t accept the principles of democracy. Just sayin.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Well as a Scot, if Northern Ireland gets a deal to throw our lot in with the EU customs union why cannot we?
So yeah it does matter.

Most people like Northen Ireland.

Most people dislike the SNP.

You've made your bed .. now lie in it.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

is any deal struck now going to get through Parliament?

Not in my opinion.

If the new deal puts a customs border between the mainland and NI, the Union is not fully intact and Scotland is worse off compared to NI.

If Tusk & Barnier say no more extensions, it will be the new deal or no deal.

This will mean Corbyn will get the blame for a no deal, unless the deal passes through, but Corbynites would rather die in a ditch than vote with Boris.

 

[Widgetone]

Not in my opinion.

If the new deal puts a customs border between the mainland and NI, the Union is not fully intact and Scotland is worse off compared to NI.

If Tusk & Barnier say no more extensions, it will be the new deal or no deal.

This will mean Corbyn will get the blame for a no deal, unless the deal passes through, but Corbynites would rather die in a ditch than vote with Boris.

Going to need a big ditch then. English channel size, then we can walk across to Calais.
Thought no deal was not an option anymore, don't think anyone will agree to another extension. So back to a GE or referendum.

 

[onthehoof]

Not in my opinion.

If the new deal puts a customs border between the mainland and NI, the Union is not fully intact and Scotland is worse off compared to NI.

If Tusk & Barnier say no more extensions, it will be the new deal or no deal.

This will mean Corbyn will get the blame for a no deal, unless the deal passes through, but Corbynites would rather die in a ditch than vote with Boris.

This is true it’s now deal or no deal on Saturday
The champagne is in the fridge

 

[onthehoof]

Going to need a big ditch then. English channel size, then we can walk across to Calais.
Thought no deal was not an option anymore, don't think anyone will agree to another extension. So back to a GE or referendum.

It’s the extension that’s off the table

 

[renewablejohn]

This is true it’s now deal or no deal on Saturday
The champagne is in the fridge

Looks like Boris has played a blinder. Either vote for deal on Saturday or we leave on No Deal on the 31st Oct as EU already said no extension available so Benn letter not applicable. If Lab Lib and SNP dont vote for Boris deal then they will be responsible for No Deal shifting blame for No Deal to these parties rather than EU and Conservatives. Even Juncker using the word prorogation which I didnt know was in the German dictionary.

 

[Still Farming]

"Come on Arlene ", dixie Midnight runners needed?

 

[yin ewe]

Looks like Boris has played a blinder. Either vote for deal on Saturday or we leave on No Deal on the 31st Oct as EU already said no extension available so Benn letter not applicable. If Lab Lib and SNP dont vote for Boris deal then they will be responsible for No Deal shifting blame for No Deal to these parties rather than EU and Conservatives. Even Juncker using the word prorogation which I didnt know was in the German dictionary.

And also the DUP can keep their promise to their core voters by voting against any sort of border in the Irish sea, safe in the knowledge that the deal wont carry anyway, yet not doing any real harm to their relationship with the government.

 

[ollie989898]

Just call a fudging election.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

It is a sad situation that the future of the UK will come down to chance and politicking.
Almost every vote cast will be on the basis of what they consider to be the probability of it's knock on effect.
A straight deal or no deal and the deal gets passed.
The possible combinations of a confirmatory referendum, no confidence vote, election or extension, will never get any deal passed. 'No brexit' should be off the table.

The EU really need to step up and state that a request for an extension, as required by the 'Benn dover and take it' act, will be refused.
This would be entirely in keeping with their previous declaration that there is no point in having an extension unless there was substantive change.

I hope that history will show that all the signatories to the Benn Act were selfish ignoramuses that acted against the interest of the country. They must also be liars or utterly inept to vote to inact article 51 which could only have 2 possible outcomes and subsequently refuse to accept either.

 

[Danllan]

I take your point, but the referendum was a UK in total one and not a regional one unless I missed something. I would have preferred to remain and fight on, but a majority from wherever it came from in the UK voted otherwise. You can’t argue with that unless one doesn’t accept the principles of democracy. Just sayin.

Oh but they do accept the principles of democracy, when it goes their way...

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Oh but they do accept the principles of democracy, when it goes their way...

Knickerless Sturgeon seemed completely oblivious to how absurd she sounded on Radio 4's Today this week.
She spent 5 minutes explaining how they will do absolutely anything to stop Brexit and then when asked about another Indy ref. for Scotland, she declared how the people must be listened to and their views respected.

 

[Agrivator]

Knickerless Sturgeon seemed completely oblivious to how absurd she sounded on Radio 4's Today this week.
She spent 5 minutes explaining how they will do absolutely anything to stop Brexit and then when asked about another Indy ref. for Scotland, she declared how the people must be listened to and their views respected.

And nobody seems to have asked Queen Nicola what she is doing to respect or at least accommodate the 40% of Scots voters who voted to leave.

In stark contrast, Boris's deal does seem to take into account the 48% of the UK voters who voted to Remain. Certainly NI appears to be able to carry on more or less as normal.

 

[ollie989898]

Knickerless Sturgeon seemed completely oblivious to how absurd she sounded on Radio 4's Today this week.
She spent 5 minutes explaining how they will do absolutely anything to stop Brexit and then when asked about another Indy ref. for Scotland, she declared how the people must be listened to and their views respected.

She is a horrible woman interested in personal power only.

 

[Mek]

She is a horrible woman interested in personal power only.

Unusual in a politician.

 

[Widgetone]

It seems to me foolish to sign of an imperfect deal just 'to get it done'. Many commentators with far a better understanding of the small print ( is there any?? ) than me are saying its a worse deal than Theresa's.
I get the Brexit fatigue thing, and a need for closure etc, BUT..

And not just because i'm a remainer/remoaner at heart, but we will have to live with implications of this rush job for years to come. Assuming it passes Westminster tomorrow of course.

 

[Henarar]

'Benn dover and take it' act,