Dogs Being Aggressive

MF135

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Mixed Farmer
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Fife
So today I went with the dog to meet a friend and her dog. (They are both the same age and both un neutered) but they just kept trying to attach each other is they're anything I can do to prevent this in the future or will they never get along?

TIA
 

Old Shep

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Livestock Farmer
You don't mention what sex the dogs are? Are both dogs usually ok with other dogs? There are a few reasons why some dogs don't get along, one of my fosters at the moment is growling at my sons bitch - but it's because she is fast and "spinny" and he needs to control her movement. Other collies seem to be aggressive to each other (family members) but its all neck grabbing incitement to play which may be misconstrued as aggression if you've not seen it before.
 

jemski

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Dorset
One of my bitches grizzles at every other dog, except one of my other bitches. She follows them round growling. But she never does any more than that and dogs soon learn to ignore her. No amount of telling her off will stop her, she just can't help herself. Miserable baggage. Lucky for her she's a great work dog and amazing with people, especially kids. It's a shame, because it's stopped me breeding from her.
 
I'm going to stick me neck out here and say I think it is more of a problem with farm dogs that don't get enough socialisation as puppies. I have made the mistake myself of having a puppy and not giving it the opportunity of meeting other dogs then expecting it to not scrap as an adult. Obviously collies being collies have to sort out who is in charge, its just nice if they can do it without ripping an ear off.
 

MF135

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Mixed Farmer
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Fife
You don't mention what sex the dogs are? Are both dogs usually ok with other dogs? There are a few reasons why some dogs don't get along, one of my fosters at the moment is growling at my sons bitch - but it's because she is fast and "spinny" and he needs to control her movement. Other collies seem to be aggressive to each other (family members) but its all neck grabbing incitement to play which may be misconstrued as aggression if you've not seen it before.

They are both male and are good with other dogs.
 

milkloss

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Livestock Farmer
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East Sussex
Old vet told my mother, Valium,. Take some yourself put the two dogs together and walk away, they will work it out. They were dogs not bitches mind.

Wouldn't want to do that with my two when they were scrapping!

Place looked like a slaughter house, blood up the walls and floor, holes in legs and ears and that was in seconds. Depends on the breed and character but I wouldn't do it, unfair on the dogs, you might as well put them in a ring and bet money on the winner.
 

Old Shep

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Livestock Farmer
So two male unneutered dogs - best way to get them to get on is to have both on leads with respective owners, say 15 yards away from each other. Start walking in the same direction keeping that distance between you. Look for stress signs in your dogs and if comfortable get a little closer, if not get a little further away. You may have to walk a mile or so but eventually you may get to be side by side. Sounds like a testosterone thing ;-)
 

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
The worst to fight is between two bitches and the worst fight is silent, no growling or barking. Had one once and they were definitely intent on killing each other. One an English pointer and the other an Irish setter. Sent the pointer to Tokyo and that fixed it! The only way I separated them was by pushing them towards a shed with a broom, getting one inside, then slamming the door.

Personally, I'd just keep them separate though I have sometimes toyed with the idea of putting the pair on couples but with a solid bar between them rather than a chain. I reckon they'd get fed up with snarling at each other after a day of that.
 

MF 135 Man

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Trade
My Brother has a blue merle bitch a few years old, when i first introduced my bitch 9 months old to her she bit my bitch straight on the nose no real harm done. now when we arrive at my brothers i loose my dog out and she lies on her back on the floor until his bitch comes over, quick sniff and they play together. think that was a pecking order thing.

On the other hand sister in law has a 6 month old blue merle bitch and my collie is now 14 months, they run round after each other all day hanging of each others necks and loving ito_O.

Dog can be weird creatures just like there owners, but male dogs with all that testosterone on first meet can be a nightmare, but in my opinion like most male after enough time spent together they learn to deal with each other and get on with it.

Unfortunately if there is a bitch that doesn't like another dog she will probably never forget and always hate it. Typical Woman:ninja::ninja:
 
Take them to a neutral area that is new to both of them and walk them a few times, this makes them feel as though tbey are part of the same pack.

Then introduce them on the less aggressive dogs patch, the person owning the dog that's at home always enters the meeting area in front of the dog (walking in front shows dominance) then add the new dog, and if either of them go to start scrapping grab them and lift them up, don't drag them backwards dragging a dog back makes them more aggressive. An no shouting, that heightens aggression too

You're the boss and if you show them in a firm calm way that this fighting sh!t will not stand, it usually works. An alpha dog won't normally let other dogs fight, so you need to be the alpha dog.
 

llamedos

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Take them to a neutral area that is new to both of them and walk them a few times, this makes them feel as though tbey are part of the same pack.

Then introduce them on the less aggressive dogs patch, the person owning the dog that's at home always enters the meeting area in front of the dog (walking in front shows dominance) then add the new dog, and if either of them go to start scrapping grab them and lift them up, don't drag them backwards dragging a dog back makes them more aggressive. An no shouting, that heightens aggression too

You're the boss and if you show them in a firm calm way that this fighting sh!t will not stand, it usually works. An alpha dog won't normally let other dogs fight, so you need to be the alpha dog.

This, + try a harness rather than a lead, first instinct the human on the end of the lead performs is to tighten their grip, and in doing so brings their dogs head up in a more aggressive stance.
 

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
Take them to a neutral area that is new to both of them and walk them a few times, this makes them feel as though tbey are part of the same pack.

Then introduce them on the less aggressive dogs patch, the person owning the dog that's at home always enters the meeting area in front of the dog (walking in front shows dominance) then add the new dog, and if either of them go to start scrapping grab them and lift them up, don't drag them backwards dragging a dog back makes them more aggressive. An no shouting, that heightens aggression too

You're the boss and if you show them in a firm calm way that this fighting sh!t will not stand, it usually works. An alpha dog won't normally let other dogs fight, so you need to be the alpha dog.

I agree broadly with this assessment and solution. Except that the 'pack' hierarchy will change as soon as the make up of the 'pack' changes. So the two dogs can never be trusted together unless the owners are present. Remove the owners and one of the dogs will want to be pack leader.

I have a vaguely similar situation here. My old GSD bitch can be quite aggressive if I allow her to be -- and that is not often. She will guard a gateway and not allow horses to go through while I go through with the tractor, but one word and she is on the offensive. She is also very dominant towards her own two female pups (now 18 months old). They are all fine on our morning walks, but I have to check her if she shows any aggression towards them as they are already nervous of her. I am the boss. But I would never kennel these three dogs together and wouldn't like to predict the outcome if I did.

So I'm afraid I don't think the OP has a solution except to keep the dogs apart unless under strict supervision. Any aggression and it's time for Dr Alkathene.
 

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