Donald J Trump will.....MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!

Muck Spreader

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I think the Democrats have the best chance of winning with Bloomberg.Kind of like fighting Trump with a kind of Trump.The theory is some democrat voters will hold their noses and vote for him as he has the best chance of winning.They just want rid of Trump.

American politics just seems to be little more than a battle of the billionaires with a choice of two parties. From what I can see, the 2016 total presidential election expenses were in the region of 11 billion dollars, compared to a UK election which is in the region of £140 million (2017). :inpain:
 
As things stand today the Prez is a shoe in for another term, the Dems are a fragmented bunch of far left dreamers intent on raising taxes to force the electorate into paying for their socialist agenda...............its' an interesting scenario, trouble is America is not Europe and will not go for it.

So Trump will get a second term (as most Presidents now do), basically because the opposition are too lame to field a candidate worth having? Glad that works for you.
 

Highland Mule

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If the economy continues to do well President Trump will be re-elected, people generally do not vote for increased taxation to fund give-away's.

I must say I find the American way as you describe with its lack of appropriate social care and instead rampant selfishness quite tragic.

No response expected, but it saddens me that folks won’t give a little more of their riches to help the poorest have education or healthcare.
 

le bon paysan

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I must say I find the American way as you describe with its lack of appropriate social care and instead rampant selfishness quite tragic.

No response expected, but it saddens me that folks won’t give a little more of their riches to help the poorest have education or healthcare.
A country is judged on how we care for the weak and infirm.
The problem with the USA ( which I admire in many ways) is the American dream is just 3 steps away from the American nightmare
 
I must say I find the American way as you describe with its lack of appropriate social care and instead rampant selfishness quite tragic.

No response expected, but it saddens me that folks won’t give a little more of their riches to help the poorest have education or healthcare.

I am not going to get into a back and forth on this but would say you are so, so wrong.
 

Muck Spreader

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Limousin
Watched a couple of documentaries last week (German and American) on how relative poverty is even starting to creep up on middle class Americans let alone the working class and poor. Looks pretty grim in parts.
 
I must say I find the American way as you describe with its lack of appropriate social care and instead rampant selfishness quite tragic.

No response expected, but it saddens me that folks won’t give a little more of their riches to help the poorest have education or healthcare.


Social care for whom ?

Anyone that has a house, money in the bank or assets cannot get social care. Those that have never contributed in their lives get everything.

I don't mind people giving others money on their own behalf .. but tax payers should not be made to pay for others guilt trips.

Case in point DFID .. of which 25%+ of the money can just disappear into the pockets of dictatorships.
 

Henarar

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Somerset
Relative poverty is when a household income is less than 50% of the median in the population it's being measured against. So you would have enough to survive day to day but little else.
I seem to recall Mrs thatcher got this off to a T when having a go at Kinnock and labour, its on you tube
to some folk its all about what someone else has
be more interesting to know what the actual figure was
 

Cowabunga

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the communists.

Not really. Not at all almost. There were a number of extreme left wing parties but there were also some centrist and many many more right wing parties other than Hitler's 'National Socialist German Workers' Party', [sounds like an extreme left, almost communist party] more commonly known as the National Socialists, or the Nazi Party.
 

oil barron

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Not really. Not at all almost. There were a number of extreme left wing parties but there were also some centrist and many many more right wing parties other than Hitler's 'National Socialist German Workers' Party', [sounds like an extreme left, almost communist party] more commonly known as the National Socialists, or the Nazi Party.

a communist burning down the reichstag was the event that allowed Hitler to gain absolute control in Germany through the Reichstag Fire Decree. It also led other European states and the Americans to appease him rather than try to oust him due to fear of the communist alternative.
They may not have had anywhere close to the number of seats, but they were seen as a massive threat. Very much similar to Berni Sanders now. If Bernie was not seen as a threat other moderates would be more willing to speak against Trump.
 

oil barron

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Not really. Not at all almost. There were a number of extreme left wing parties but there were also some centrist and many many more right wing parties other than Hitler's 'National Socialist German Workers' Party', [sounds like an extreme left, almost communist party] more commonly known as the National Socialists, or the Nazi Party.

a communist burning down the reichstag was the event that allowed Hitler to gain absolute control in Germany through the Reichstag Fire Decree. It also led other European states and the Americans to appease him rather than try to oust him due to fear of the communist alternative.
They may not have had anywhere close to the number of seats, but they were seen as a massive threat. Very much similar to Berni Sanders now. If Bernie was not seen as a threat other moderates would be more willing to speak against Trump.
 

Cowabunga

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a communist burning down the reichstag was the event that allowed Hitler to gain absolute control in Germany through the Reichstag Fire Decree. It also led other European states and the Americans to appease him rather than try to oust him due to fear of the communist alternative.
They may not have had anywhere close to the number of seats, but they were seen as a massive threat. Very much similar to Berni Sanders now. If Bernie was not seen as a threat other moderates would be more willing to speak against Trump.

I was under the impression that it was common knowledge that the Nazi party burnt it down themselves in order to blame others and take advantage of that blame for their own ruthless ends.

Well yes, the Americans are experts at using fear to demonise the opposition. Think of McCarthy and his demonising of every rival and his dog by accusing them of being communists. A decade of absolutely ridiculous and rather disgusting 'politics' led by a madman of similar ilk to the current POTUS. Given half a chance and the current POTUS would be another McCarthy.
 

oil barron

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It was common knowledge as that was the story told after the war. However I think doubt is being cast on that story now. I don’t think anyone knows for certain.

Yes, trump is a bit of a d**k. But he is on the side of freedom and liberty. It comes down to, do you want to take control of your own life or not. It seems like you, Comrade Quackers would be quite happy to live life in a slumber having your destiny dictated to you by the government and then complaining about it when it all falls apart, but hey it wasn’t your fault - it was the government.
Communism has been the biggest scourge of the last 150 years and it should be rightly feared.
 

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