Dorper sheep

Tim W

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My new ewes as shearlings around 90kgs with rams of same age at 130 kgs

For me as a maternal ewe that is 50% too heavy again----but maybe you are aiming to use the Dorper as a terminal sire?
60/65kg seems to be the better weight for a maternal efficient animal here, still gets a 21 kg fat lamb ---need some leeway for an earlier finishing animal of course
Even my Charollais purebreds aren't that heavy

Meat quality will be increasingly important in such an expensive protein as lamb and this may be where Dorper genetics will excel??
 
For me as a maternal ewe that is 50% too heavy again----but maybe you are aiming to use the Dorper as a terminal sire?
60/65kg seems to be the better weight for a maternal efficient animal here, still gets a 21 kg fat lamb ---need some leeway for an earlier finishing animal of course
Even my Charollais purebreds aren't that heavy

Meat quality will be increasingly important in such an expensive protein as lamb and this may be where Dorper genetics will excel??
Oh definitely as terminal sire .this summer my dorpers did really good with not much infront of them .very easy to get the weight on the lambs very little input.the big boys who loves the creep feeders when prices are like it is now are chasing a price and it's gonna hurt when winter really kicks in .
 

Al R

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West Wales
I didn't think they would but a terminal sire that would make first cross lambs shed would be great for using on wooly ewes
My Exlana ram on Glamorgan ewes last year produced every lamb shed its wool, most had shed a few coats before weaning!

The big question @Springboks and @Tim W is can you get white faced Dorpers?

Impressive looking rams Springbok and welcome to the forum!
 

Al R

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West Wales
Why white faced ?
Genetics not cosmetics !
Forget what they look like --just ask how they perform and for the data to prove it (y)
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I’m quite OCD so “peas in a pod” comes into play - here are the Exlana x ewe lambs mind, 15/50 served in 6 days.

Seriously impressed by the shape on the dorper mind!
 

Kiwi Pete

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I didn't think they would but a terminal sire that would make first cross lambs shed would be great for using on wooly ewes
They certainly are (y)
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This is fairly typical of what we get from a full wool ewe lamb x dorper ram

They do get very heavy very fast, have to watch the buggers or they romp past the 50kg mark and get knocked down, while being 4 inches shorter in the leg than the other lambs.
 
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Al R

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West Wales
Are these exlana x dorper
No exlana x Glamorgan’s but if the dorper could be white faced like them they’d tick all the boxes (y) I still have the shivers down my spine of when we used to have a lot of Suffolk rams, i’m Not sure I could face a black faced ram again incase somebody put Suffolk blood in it.
 

hendrebc

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They certainly are (y) View attachment 735008
This is fairly typical of what we get from a full wool ewe x dorper ram

They do get very heavy very fast, have to watch the buggers or they romp past the 50kg mark and get knocked down, while being 4 inches shorter in the leg than the other lambs.
My thoughts were you could keep the wool income off the ewes (living in hope :bag: ) and save yourself a hell of a lot of work by not having to spray or dag any lambs if they all shed. Don't find ewes too bad they only need shearing once and that's it for the year. Wool should pay for the shearing costs and maybe leave a little extra. Maybe :unsure:
 

Al R

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Is that the welsh version of a Chevease?
What’s a chevease? There’s quite a few different types of welsh mountains from the small 30kg ones up to the 70kg Glamorgan or Nelson welsh, more of a lowland and improved hill farm animal. They are hair based not wool so they naturally have the odd shedders, they’ve shedded far better than I thought, I thought there’d be some that wouldn’t shed and be very thick hair like a Glamorgan but they all shedded quickly and were easily identifiable by 8 weeks.
 
No exlana x Glamorgan’s but if the dorper could be white faced like them they’d tick all the boxes (y) I still have the shivers down my spine of when we used to have a lot of Suffolk rams, i’m Not sure I could face a black faced ram again incase somebody put Suffolk blood in it.
The Dorper is black headed not black faced. The Dorper cross lambs will come out completely black with a little bit of white on the sides. The genetics of a Black Dorper are 2 fold. One is Dominant Black (E) the same as Jacobs, Balwyens and Zwartbles, the other is the persian restriction gene (Pr) which restricts the color to the head. E is dominat so all lambs will be black, Pr is recessive so no color restriction in the lambs.
 
What’s a chevease? There’s quite a few different types of welsh mountains from the small 30kg ones up to the 70kg Glamorgan or Nelson welsh, more of a lowland and improved hill farm animal. They are hair based not wool so they naturally have the odd shedders, they’ve shedded far better than I thought, I thought there’d be some that wouldn’t shed and be very thick hair like a Glamorgan but they all shedded quickly and were easily identifiable by 8 weeks.
Chevease is an Easycare x Cheviot than has been interbred I think the aim was to breed a Shedding cheviot type sheep.
I wonder is there a place for a shedding hill sheep? There are obviously a lot of shedders all ready in the hill breeds may be with a little selection a whole flock could be produced.
 

Kiwi Pete

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My thoughts were you could keep the wool income off the ewes (living in hope :bag: ) and save yourself a hell of a lot of work by not having to spray or dag any lambs if they all shed. Don't find ewes too bad they only need shearing once and that's it for the year. Wool should pay for the shearing costs and maybe leave a little extra. Maybe :unsure:
My findings are not to go near them with a handpiece - it is like trying to shear turf, very tough combing
Just get some chain link gates Huw and they rub it off instead.
 

Tim W

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Wiltshire
Chevease is an Easycare x Cheviot than has been interbred I think the aim was to breed a Shedding cheviot type sheep.
I wonder is there a place for a shedding hill sheep? There are obviously a lot of shedders all ready in the hill breeds may be with a little selection a whole flock could be produced.

Plenty of Blackie cross shedders around running on the hiils
Ditto Cheviot cross
Easycare was originally a Wilts cross Welsh Mountain
All ''hill type'' ewes
 
My Exlana ram on Glamorgan ewes last year produced every lamb shed its wool, most had shed a few coats before weaning!

The big question @Springboks and @Tim W is can you get white faced Dorpers?

Impressive looking rams Springbok and welcome to the forum!
Thank you .yes you do but not many in country yet I have a few throwbacks from breeding .they definitely won t be related to any of your stock.
 

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