Dr Alice Brough at it again.

[unlacedgecko]

I gave up only a minute in - couldn't take that delivery. Like the squeak of chalk on blackboard - those of us old enough to remember?

Interested to see Sir Francis Drake to the right - what was he about??

Also suspicious of vets calling themselves Dr. I know they're entitled to, but only recently so, and it says something about their attitude. A dig into her work history would be interesting.

The Dr thing some feminist rubbish.

Dr Alice Brough previously used to work for Red Tractor.

She’s inspected farms that she claims were not up to standard but she failed to recommend suspension? Sounds like she was complicit in animal neglect/abuse and massively lacking in moral courage.

 

[Suffolk Serf]

Specialist pig vet practices are always on the look out for keen graduates.
I believe that she has worked for two different practices in different parts of the country.
A pig vet’s job is somewhat akin to an agronomist for crops, they have to visit at least quarterly and advise on all areas of production management as health is a key factor.
Also, the visit is a mini Red Tractor inspection, in addition to the annual RT audit (how would you like that all other sectors?).
Ms Brough has now made it very difficult for any un proven, graduate vet to be trusted on farm.

 

[Henarar]

Specialist pig vet practices are always on the look out for keen graduates.
I believe that she has worked for two different practices in different parts of the country.
A pig vet’s job is somewhat akin to an agronomist for crops, they have to visit at least quarterly and advise on all areas of production management as health is a key factor.
Also, the visit is a mini Red Tractor inspection, in addition to the annual RT audit (how would you like that all other sectors?).
Ms Brough has now made it very difficult for any un proven, graduate vet to be trusted on farm.

are these visits part of RT for pigs ?

 

[Suffolk Serf]

are these visits part of RT for pigs ?

Yes.
Also, to obtain vaccines and medication from the vet, the animals have to be deemed to be under the care of the prescribing vet. To be under their care the herd has to be seen every quarter.

 

[Henarar]

Yes.
Also, to obtain vaccines and medication from the vet, the animals have to be deemed to be under the care of the prescribing vet. To be under their care the herd has to be seen every quarter.

Is this for herds over a certain number?
Have a mate that keeps pigs a none of this applies

 

[Sid]

Does it matter that a cow consumes 150 litres a day if much of that is from a stream

Many of the Vegan propaganda snippets also include the rain upon the land associated with the production. They don't allow for any run off. IE none of that water reaches the water course, ever.

 

[PaulNix]

Many of the Vegan propaganda snippets also include the rain upon the land associated with the production. They don't allow for any run off. IE none of that water reaches the water course, ever.

They also don't realise that a cow pisses either.

 

[Henarar]

They also don't realise that a cow pisses either.

Yep they only borrow the water

 

[Barleycorn]

Yep they only borrow the water

Daughters birthday, hopefully borrowing beer at lunchtime!!

 

[Sid]

I know she's a rampant vegan, paid by Viva, but is this true or just vegan propaganda?

Noted while listening...
She sounds like a crap vet to me!
Cutting herself with a scalpel?
Spanish Flu thought to come from poultry, no evidence then?
She personally was treating pigs with ABs in water every day?
65 cm2 for a 110kg pig? It wouldn't fit would it?
Brazilian production methods are poor, then buy UK pig meat?
Now she mentions that we are looking after animals better than starving children, usually due to war and politics!
Can compare ag emissions to largest oil company. Try comparing to ALL oil producers or to global airlines? Cherry picking.
Abattoir workers told to goto work or lose their jobs? Amazon would be the same wouldn't it?
Then she swears, no need for that!
Let's see the actual facts on climate change and the "barbaric " practices she quotes.

I think she should be struck off IMHO!

Edit
If I lost 30 pigs in 24 hours I would have called the vet after 5.
I would not have put them in the dead bin either! Risk of contanimation for diagnosis. But then that doesn't make as good a scare story does it!

 

[puppet]

Farmers Guardian all about zero carbon this week.
Myth buster page talks about water usage.
1kg lamb needs 57,000, yes thousand, litres of water. That would be a week's lamb growth. 96.6% is green water from rain making 55,000. 0.1% is blue water from surface or groundwater ( which is apparently bad stuff though I would call that a stream which never gets near any public water supply) so it still takes 57 litres of that too. Can anyone explain these figures?
I left 2 ewes in a grass pen for 3 days this week and they only drank 5 litres out of a bucket.


1kg beef needs 17,000l of water??? We have 270 acres with natural water sources so it is very naughty to suggest every farm has a massive water pipe supplying it.

Pull this apart if I am wrong.
150 young cattle putting on net 0.5kg meat daily =75kg x 17,000 = 1,275,000 litres
300 lambs at net 100g daily = 30kg x 57,000 = 1,710,000 litres
I am accepting the cows and ewes are also drinking and assume they are not producing any meat but suggests we are taking 3m litres of water daily thereby depleting the earth's resources.

 

[Sid]

Farmers Guardian all about zero carbon this week.
Myth buster page talks about water usage.
1kg lamb needs 57,000, yes thousand, litres of water. That would be a week's lamb growth. 96.6% is green water from rain making 55,000. 0.1% is blue water from surface or groundwater ( which is apparently bad stuff though I would call that a stream which never gets near any public water supply) so it still takes 57 litres of that too. Can anyone explain these figures?
I left 2 ewes in a grass pen for 3 days this week and they only drank 5 litres out of a bucket.


1kg beef needs 17,000l of water??? We have 270 acres with natural water sources so it is very naughty to suggest every farm has a massive water pipe supplying it.

Pull this apart if I am wrong.
150 young cattle putting on net 0.5kg meat daily =75kg x 17,000 = 1,275,000 litres
300 lambs at net 100g daily = 30kg x 57,000 = 1,710,000 litres
I am accepting the cows and ewes are also drinking and assume they are not producing any meat but suggests we are taking 3m litres of water daily thereby depleting the earth's resources.

Its ok the ice caps are melting so its being replenished!

So if Ag is consuming all this water why are sea levels predicted to rise?

 

[Extreme Optimist]

Surely if she is the regular vet and is precribing antibiotics in the water and they are still losing 30 pigs in a short period of time, then it is a reflection on her as a vet. I view my relationship with my vet as a partnership to improve the management so that as few drugs are required as possible with as few deaths. I'm not sure that if it was me, I would be advertising the fact that I was such a shocking vet.

If she is so concerned about animal welfare, surely she is in a much better position to change things to improve welfare as a practising vet rather than a loud mouthed activist!!

 

[Ted M]

Farmers Guardian all about zero carbon this week.
Myth buster page talks about water usage.
1kg lamb needs 57,000, yes thousand, litres of water. That would be a week's lamb growth. 96.6% is green water from rain making 55,000. 0.1% is blue water from surface or groundwater ( which is apparently bad stuff though I would call that a stream which never gets near any public water supply) so it still takes 57 litres of that too. Can anyone explain these figures?
I left 2 ewes in a grass pen for 3 days this week and they only drank 5 litres out of a bucket.


1kg beef needs 17,000l of water??? We have 270 acres with natural water sources so it is very naughty to suggest every farm has a massive water pipe supplying it.

Pull this apart if I am wrong.
150 young cattle putting on net 0.5kg meat daily =75kg x 17,000 = 1,275,000 litres
300 lambs at net 100g daily = 30kg x 57,000 = 1,710,000 litres
I am accepting the cows and ewes are also drinking and assume they are not producing any meat but suggests we are taking 3m litres of water daily thereby depleting the earth's resources.

Right with you on this one, our small suckler herd is completely mains fed through a meter so I know almost exactly what they use. We also have 2 households on the same meters.
Roughly 1 cubic meter per day on average for 45 head. (cows and calves)
We sell around 10 tonnes deadweight of beef a year.
Thats 36.5 litres per kg produced.

 

[Raider112]

Farmers Guardian all about zero carbon this week.
Myth buster page talks about water usage.
1kg lamb needs 57,000, yes thousand, litres of water. That would be a week's lamb growth. 96.6% is green water from rain making 55,000. 0.1% is blue water from surface or groundwater ( which is apparently bad stuff though I would call that a stream which never gets near any public water supply) so it still takes 57 litres of that too. Can anyone explain these figures?
I left 2 ewes in a grass pen for 3 days this week and they only drank 5 litres out of a bucket.


1kg beef needs 17,000l of water??? We have 270 acres with natural water sources so it is very naughty to suggest every farm has a massive water pipe supplying it.

Pull this apart if I am wrong.
150 young cattle putting on net 0.5kg meat daily =75kg x 17,000 = 1,275,000 litres
300 lambs at net 100g daily = 30kg x 57,000 = 1,710,000 litres
I am accepting the cows and ewes are also drinking and assume they are not producing any meat but suggests we are taking 3m litres of water daily thereby depleting the earth's resources.

Can anybody put a financial figure on those two figures if it was going through a meter?

 

[Ted M]

Can anybody put a financial figure on those two figures if it was going through a meter?

I think we're on about £1.80 /cube

 

[Cowabunga]

Farmers Guardian all about zero carbon this week.
Myth buster page talks about water usage.
1kg lamb needs 57,000, yes thousand, litres of water. That would be a week's lamb growth. 96.6% is green water from rain making 55,000. 0.1% is blue water from surface or groundwater ( which is apparently bad stuff though I would call that a stream which never gets near any public water supply) so it still takes 57 litres of that too. Can anyone explain these figures?
I left 2 ewes in a grass pen for 3 days this week and they only drank 5 litres out of a bucket.


1kg beef needs 17,000l of water??? We have 270 acres with natural water sources so it is very naughty to suggest every farm has a massive water pipe supplying it.

Pull this apart if I am wrong.
150 young cattle putting on net 0.5kg meat daily =75kg x 17,000 = 1,275,000 litres
300 lambs at net 100g daily = 30kg x 57,000 = 1,710,000 litres
I am accepting the cows and ewes are also drinking and assume they are not producing any meat but suggests we are taking 3m litres of water daily thereby depleting the earth's resources.

it's all a loads of balls.
If fed wet silage in a shed, a beef cow needs down to zero supplementary water.

 

[tepapa]

Farmers Guardian all about zero carbon this week.
Myth buster page talks about water usage.
1kg lamb needs 57,000, yes thousand, litres of water. That would be a week's lamb growth. 96.6% is green water from rain making 55,000. 0.1% is blue water from surface or groundwater ( which is apparently bad stuff though I would call that a stream which never gets near any public water supply) so it still takes 57 litres of that too. Can anyone explain these figures?
I left 2 ewes in a grass pen for 3 days this week and they only drank 5 litres out of a bucket.


1kg beef needs 17,000l of water??? We have 270 acres with natural water sources so it is very naughty to suggest every farm has a massive water pipe supplying it.

Pull this apart if I am wrong.
150 young cattle putting on net 0.5kg meat daily =75kg x 17,000 = 1,275,000 litres
300 lambs at net 100g daily = 30kg x 57,000 = 1,710,000 litres
I am accepting the cows and ewes are also drinking and assume they are not producing any meat but suggests we are taking 3m litres of water daily thereby depleting the earth's resources.

Maybe someone should do a calculation about how much water a human consumes in a day, to Drink, shower in, wash hands, clean house/car, wash clothes, flush toilet. And then calculate all the other thing's the human has used i.e transport and its fuel, energy to prepare food, energy to heat their house/work space. Energy in work on electrics and the cloud. Energy for hobbies and spare time.
I would hazard a guess that the sheep or cow in a field eating grass, drinking water from a stream isn't actually that bad.

 

[DrWazzock]

Water goes round and round so what’s the problem? Bit like nitrogen and carbon as well. You just don’t want an excessive amount in certain forms in certain places, but it never gets used up or runs out.

 

[bitwrx]

Is this for herds over a certain number?
Have a mate that keeps pigs a none of this applies

Quarterly visits are a requirement for all RT assured pigs, as far as I know. Your mate may not be RT assured.
As far as the 'under care of' thing goes, your mate may not need to treat any of his pigs, and if he does he can call the vet out. Ergo, they would be under the vet's care.
Or maybe he just uses the Betamox he has been prescribed to care for his cattle, and doesn't tell anyone (possibly because he doesn't know any better).