Dr Ursula von der Leyen

Should she stay or should she go?


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le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Yes, I think the storm for Ursula has finished, and she survives for another day. Personally I believe the credibility of the EU would be better served if she fell on her sword. Separately I see in NI, that support for the DUP has collapsed over the sea border and protocol. Arlene will come under a lot of pressure. How she could have done with Dublin falling asleep on Ursula’s cock up! Survival in politics is balanced on razor thin margins.
Yes, probably would.
Rutte's government resigned over the child care scandal. Couldn't see any one in the UK government going over anything!
Still all good fun👍
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Yes, I think the storm for Ursula has finished, and she survives for another day. Personally I believe the credibility of the EU would be better served if she fell on her sword. Separately I see in NI, that support for the DUP has collapsed over the sea border and protocol. Arlene will come under a lot of pressure. How she could have done with Dublin falling asleep on Ursula’s cock up! Survival in politics is balanced on razor thin margins.
If I were a fan of the EU I'd agree with you regarding her resigning; obviously it couldn't change what happened, but it would certainly draw a significant line under the episode. Her staying is going to provide a fair-sized goal for opponents for the foreseeable future, her going would prevent that, more or less.

I guess if she makes another major mistake, she will have to go. Certainly her decisions will see a lot of 'second-guessing' from now on. That could be a good thing if it prevents another cock-up of a similar scale, but it may be bad if it means unnecessary hesitancy in an emergency.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Meanwhile the UK media focuses on the fact that the EU made a complete clusterf**k of a situation on Friday evening. Then the Irish Foreign minster made a few phonecalls and sorted the entire sorry mess by bedtime. Most sensible organisations see when the screw up and fix it.
EU score a massive own goal. Then took the ball out of the net.
UK gov just keeps on banging them in FFS
What is better? Do a mistake and correct it within a few hours
Or vote for a mistake and still not apologize about it weeks, later like altering a signed international treaty?
 
Meanwhile the UK media focuses on the fact that the EU made a complete clusterfudge of a situation on Friday evening. Then the Irish Foreign minster made a few phonecalls and sorted the entire sorry mess by bedtime. Most sensible organisations see when the screw up and fix it.
EU score a massive own goal. Then took the ball out of the net.
UK gov just keeps on banging them in FFS
What is better? Do a mistake and correct it within a few hours
Or vote for a mistake and still not apologize about it weeks, later like altering a signed international treaty?
the big mistake was not getting vaccine ordered last spring and not having a diversified supply if some failed or if supply was compromised

the uk made sure that they did not rely on a fragile supply line that could be could be disrupted by anything
either lucky or or well planned
as they say you make your own luck

the fact they may have worried more about donald trump keeping american vaccine in the usa
 

Martin Holden

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Grassland Exhibitor
Location
Cheltenham
Meanwhile the UK media focuses on the fact that the EU made a complete clusterfudge of a situation on Friday evening. Then the Irish Foreign minster made a few phonecalls and sorted the entire sorry mess by bedtime. Most sensible organisations see when the screw up and fix it.
EU score a massive own goal. Then took the ball out of the net.
UK gov just keeps on banging them in FFS
What is better? Do a mistake and correct it within a few hours
Or vote for a mistake and still not apologize about it weeks, later like altering a signed international treaty?
I’m sorry if this offends, but please go and lie down in a darkened room as Terry Wogan used to say otherwise this whole topic is going to damage your health
 
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le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
the big mistake was not getting vaccine ordered last spring and not having a diversified supply if some failed or if supply was compromised

the uk made sure that they did not rely on a fragile supply line that could be could be disrupted by anything
either lucky or or well planned
as they say you make your own luck

the fact they may have worried more about donald trump keeping american vaccine in the usa
They did put money into11 different vaccines. It's all easier in hindsight and I agree that Trump was a concern.
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
I’m sorry if this offends, but please gonna lie down in a darkened room at Terry Wogan used to say otherwise this whole topic is going to damage your health
You just keep looking where they tell you.
Meanwhile the sh!t show continues, should Eustace resign? ,he's still telling them it's on for April.
 

Martin Holden

Member
Grassland Exhibitor
Location
Cheltenham
You just keep looking where they tell you.
Meanwhile the sh!t show continues, should Eustace resign? ,he's still telling them it's on for April.
Ah couldn’t find this so posted a reply elsewhere. What a load of horlicks this is! Last year UK shellfish was absolutely fine for EU to import and eat. Now suddenly it’s not! I know the game has changed now we are out but I think we should build barriers to some EU food. I certainly hope we are not importing similar live product - if we are we are mad! Perhaps we have to go through a tit for tat until common sense prevails. No more French wine, cheese etc etc. Seem silly but it is bonkers that just because you leave a club your product becomes “off limits”! The world has gone mad and it’s one created by politicians!
 

Ashtree

Member
Ah couldn’t find this so posted a reply elsewhere. What a load of horlicks this is! Last year UK shellfish was absolutely fine for EU to import and eat. Now suddenly it’s not! I know the game has changed now we are out but I think we should build barriers to some EU food. I certainly hope we are not importing similar live product - if we are we are mad! Perhaps we have to go through a tit for tat until common sense prevails. No more French wine, cheese etc etc. Seem silly but it is bonkers that just because you leave a club your product becomes “off limits”! The world has gone mad and it’s one created by politicians!

Another way of looking at it, would be that leaving the single market and customs union, brings with it a loss of the benefits. Choosing to be a third country, chooses by extension to create many layers of barriers and frictions to trade.
On the plus side, sovereignty is strengthened.
I suppose a lot of people are now looking at what has been lost, and checking their current account to see if “sovereignty”, has been lodged as a compensation.
 

robs1

Member
Another way of looking at it, would be that leaving the single market and customs union, brings with it a loss of the benefits. Choosing to be a third country, chooses by extension to create many layers of barriers and frictions to trade.
On the plus side, sovereignty is strengthened.
I suppose a lot of people are now looking at what has been lost, and checking their current account to see if “sovereignty”, has been lodged as a compensation.
While in time there is some reason in their antics to say everything was fine one day and not fine the next day is very childish, no normal person is fooled by it anymore than they were on the vaccine cockup, it will just make more people anti EU .
 

7610 super q

Member
Arable Farmer
Don't care really. It is the EU after all. And this is what the EU does best. In theory, nowt to do with us any more. Those who have no feelings towards the EU will forget this little faux pas in a few days. Those pro EU will claim she's done no wrong anyway.
 
They did put money into11 different vaccines. It's all easier in hindsight and I agree that Trump was a concern.
I suspect the Eu did not believe the vaccines would be available so quickly so did not have the urgency needed to leave no stone unturned ( many commentators and experts said it would be 2 years for a vaccine to be developed )


where as the British govment went through the ringer in March
the Eu hirachy did not suffer the press bashing

having people in the govment team who could think and react on their feet may well have been the biggest advantage in the vaccine rollout
rather than career politicians/administrators who may be good at their jobs but not able to respond when the rules change
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
I suspect the Eu did not believe the vaccines would be available so quickly so did not have the urgency needed to leave no stone unturned ( many commentators and experts said it would be 2 years for a vaccine to be developed )


where as the British govment went through the ringer in March
the Eu hirachy did not suffer the press bashing

having people in the govment team who could think and react on their feet may well have been the biggest advantage in the vaccine rollout
rather than career politicians/administrators who may be good at their jobs but not able to respond when the rules change
I think you raise an important point, the people via the media can put pressure on elected politicians in a way that is impossible toward those who aren't elected.

The question is
can the Eu get rid of her or is she in post whatever

the uk prime minister is not immune from being sacked
margret thatcher was sacked by the party
Yes, the mechanism is there to bin any of the EC, but it's not as quick and simple as here, far more protracted and, arguably, brutal...
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
While in time there is some reason in their antics to say everything was fine one day and not fine the next day is very childish, no normal person is fooled by it anymore than they were on the vaccine cockup, it will just make more people anti EU .
It's quite simple, you're a third country. You had 12 months transition and did nothing.
You're not buying the ski pass. You can't use the lift!
 

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Speculative coverage on the gene editing consultation response

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There has been coverage today in the I and the Guardian, reporting on speculation around the upcoming government response to the recent Gene Editing consultation, which closed on 17th March.

A full government response, which will include a thorough analysis and summary of the responses to the consultation and which will set out our next steps, will be published in due course.

Gene editing has the ability to harness the genetic resources that mother nature has provided, such as breeding...
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