Dual wheels?

[rick_vandal]

To open a controversy, what is the benefit of dual tractor land wheels and is it worth the risk of getting penalised? Overtly banned wherever I plough yet blatant obsconders abound, WTF? And whilst I have your attention, see those bendy reversible ploughs lifting bodies at will, what is 'the ploughing position'?

 

[ploughman1963]

Dual land wheels on the plough even out (effectively half) any undulation in the ground - where a single wheel would drop sharply into a dpression or rise sharply over a lump, twin wheels effectively halve the response.
Only allowed in world style and same for everyone so what the problem?
Same with trip legs on reversibles - down to personal preference - I chose to use single depth wheel and no trip legs and managed to win a few matches so they arent essential

 

[Ford4610]

The dual wheel are common on 2wd tractors for added traction. Some say they contribute to packing the ground before it is turned. Useful during the opening split while driving through tramlines.

 

[ploughman1963]

The dual wheel are common on 2wd tractors for added traction. Some say they contribute to packing the ground before it is turned. Useful during the opening split while driving through tramlines.

Sorry, I assumed the OP was talking about double land wheels mounted on a swinging beam for the plough depth wheel

 

[Ford4610]

Sorry, I assumed the OP was talking about double land wheels mounted on a swinging beam for the plough depth wheel

Maybe I am on about the wrong subject

 

[rick_vandal]

Sorry, I assumed the OP was talking about double land wheels mounted on a swinging beam for the plough depth wheel

You are excused. My post is about dual tractor land wheels.

 

[rick_vandal]

Strakes are definitely banned. Would a dual wheel add ballast to the left side?

 

[Tonym]

The Soociety of ploughmen rule book states that dual tractor wheels are banned in classic and vintage ploughing.

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

Assume the one dual fitted was to spread the load across the whole ploughed area and reduce wheel slip, the top men don't seem to use them. The "bendy" reversibles are just using (or rather abusing) the leg trip system to get better inn's. It always makes me cringe when they're powered up against that leaf spring!

I'll start a debate, why is front leg lifting allowed in vintage? That's definitely moving the board out of its working position when ploughing! I'm don't want to succumb to doing it, but more and more people seem to....its yet another thing to frig about with after your chip

 

[Ford4610]

Assume the one dual fitted was to spread the load across the whole ploughed area and reduce wheel slip, the top men don't seem to use them. The "bendy" reversibles are just using (or rather abusing) the leg trip system to get better inn's. It always makes me cringe when they're powered up against that leaf spring!

I'll start a debate, why is front leg lifting allowed in vintage? That's definitely moving the board out of its working position when ploughing! I'm don't want to succumb to doing it, but more and more people seem to....its yet another thing to frig about with after your chip

Does the front leg lifted, affect the ploughs line of pull?

 

[Bury the Trash]

Strakes are definitely banned. Would a dual wheel add ballast to the left side?

'course it will.
sounds odd but we sometimes used to put a dual wheel on the tractor rear wheel offside of the hedge trimmer instead of the more usual (in wet /soft or rough conditions working/trimmer one side to help floatation, to do just that ,counter the weight of the trimmer .

 

[wuddy]

Assume the one dual fitted was to spread the load across the whole ploughed area and reduce wheel slip, the top men don't seem to use them. The "bendy" reversibles are just using (or rather abusing) the leg trip system to get better inn's. It always makes me cringe when they're powered up against that leaf spring!

I'll start a debate, why is front leg lifting allowed in vintage? That's definitely moving the board out of its working position when ploughing! I'm don't want to succumb to doing it, but more and more people seem to....its yet another thing to frig about with after your chip

It is in the ploughing position, I have ploughed a whole practice plot with it lifted and Jon Cole has ploughed a whole match plot!! It’s quite a fight and you just can’t figure out what’s wrong as the plough still makes a reasonable job! I don’t know if he uses it but I’m sure John crowder can drop the back leg on his trailing plough! But yes I agree it’s just another bloody thing to remember to put back!!

 

[MrNoo]

I'll start a debate, why is front leg lifting allowed in vintage? That's definitely moving the board out of its working position when ploughing! I'm don't want to succumb to doing it, but more and more people seem to....its yet another thing to frig about with after your chip

In our class the splits look naff, our interbody clearance is much lower than you Ransomes boys, we just tilt the rear frog, makes a much better consistent first run and I think the splits look so much better, more balanced, certainly nicer to plough.
So if you ban leg lifting I guess they will all start frog tilting, sounds like some pastime found up Shropshire way!!!
Guess the whole leg lifting thing is like Marmite, you either like it or you dont.
It was at a Hereford match where Jon forgot to put it back down, remember him telling me. Said he couldnt work out what the issue was, believe he still won though.
I see quite a few who now lift the leg for the finish too.

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

I see quite a few who now lift the leg for the finish too.

More frickin' adjustment... I can see the appeal of world style, just pull a lever

 

[rick_vandal]

Assume the one dual fitted was to spread the load across the whole ploughed area and reduce wheel slip, the top men don't seem to use them. The "bendy" reversibles are just using (or rather abusing) the leg trip system to get better inn's. It always makes me cringe when they're powered up against that leaf spring!

I'll start a debate, why is front leg lifting allowed in vintage? That's definitely moving the board out of its working position when ploughing! I'm don't want to succumb to doing it, but more and more people seem to....its yet another thing to frig about with after your chip

I'll double the debate, we seen dogs do it so why can't the back leg get moved?

 

[MrNoo]

More frickin' adjustment... I can't see the appeal of world style, just pull a lever

I've amended your post!!!! In my honest view I think they should ban tailpieces, work of the devil, if were a judge I'd hammer them. If you cant put a crown together without using them it's a poor job and it looks horrible with the 2 central furrows smeared within an inch of their life. But I guess we're all different!

 

[MrNoo]

I'll double the debate, we seen dogs do it so why can't the back leg get moved?

Just change the pitch of the rear frog and leave the leg alone

 

[wuddy]

I've amended your post!!!! In my honest view I think they should ban tailpieces, work of the devil, if were a judge I'd hammer them. If you cant put a crown together without using them it's a poor job and it looks horrible with the 2 central furrows smeared within an inch of their life. But I guess we're all different!

I agree about the tails on the crown and really the points they gain for the crown being flat they should in theory loose in uniformity and general appearance as the two furrs don’t match any of the others!!

 

[rick_vandal]

I've amended your post!!!! In my honest view I think they should ban tailpieces, work of the devil, if were a judge I'd hammer them. If you cant put a crown together without using them it's a poor job and it looks horrible with the 2 central furrows smeared within an inch of their life. But I guess we're all different!

If the result of using a tailpiece is a visible smear, it would have been set near horizontal. That is 'manipulation' worthy of a yellow card IMHO.

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

I've amended your post!!!! In my honest view I think they should ban tailpieces, work of the devil, if were a judge I'd hammer them. If you cant put a crown together without using them it's a poor job and it looks horrible with the 2 central furrows smeared within an inch of their life. But I guess we're all different!

Yep, I never understand that, I don't like the way they do that, it spoils the start. Vintage classes can put together pretty low cops, I don't see the need to push it down, especially when it makes those two furrows look different to the others, should be marked down on uniformity and general appearance. Should mention it to a world style judge next time I see one...