Dutch farmer protest in the Hague today, Army setting up road blocks...

[Lincs Lass]

EXPLAINER: Why are Dutch farmers protesting over emissions?

Farmers are protesting around the Netherlands as lawmakers vote on proposals to slash emissions of damaging pollutants

abcnews.go.com

 

[Hilly]

Just ban nitrogen for all then its a level plAying field or leveler …

 

[topground]

I understand It’s the production of animal waste which contains nitrogen that is being restricted so presumably herd size. Concerns that some of the minority breeds will be seriously affected.

 

[Sid]

buperac on TikTok

Farmers in the Netherlands 🔥 #farmlife #farmersprotest #dutchfarmers #farmersforfreedom

vm.tiktok.com

Massive protests

 

[Al R]

Just look at Sri Lanka, they banned all artificial fertilisers and pesticides overnight and look at the mess their in.
Organic has its place but it’s not going to feed the world.

 

[Gong Farmer]

Just look at Sri Lanka, they banned all artificial fertilisers and pesticides overnight and look at the mess their in.
Organic has its place but it’s not going to feed the world.

Couldn't believe any government, even third world, could be naive to do that overnight. Any such measures need phasing in, not 'banning'.

 

[Sid]

Just look at Sri Lanka, they banned all artificial fertilisers and pesticides overnight and look at the mess their in.
Organic has its place but it’s not going to feed the world.

Are you stating that conventional farming is feeding the world?

Is the buzzword farming system "regenerative " farming with its lower outputs going to feed the world?

If you told every arable farmer to switch farms with a dairy farmer , I'd hedge a fair bet that output would drop massively as the skill set and understanding isn’t there.

 

[Al R]

Are you stating that conventional farming is feeding the world?

Is the buzzword farming system "regenerative " farming with its lower outputs going to feed the world?

If you told every arable farmer to switch farms with a dairy farmer , I'd hedge a fair bet that output would drop massively as the skill set and understanding isn’t there.

No conventional isn’t but traditional farming (I can’t stand the word regenerative) where muck is used as fertiliser and mixed farms thrive in most of the world. Commodity prices have forced people to specialise on one/two enterprises. Turning the tap off overnight destroyed Sri Lanka, phasing it out over time and encouraging muck to be used as fertiliser instead of artificial and getting farmers up to scratch with organic methods like hoeing etc beforehand would have helped them massively.

 

[Sid]

No conventional isn’t but traditional farming (I can’t stand the word regenerative) where muck is used as fertiliser and mixed farms thrive in most of the world. Commodity prices have forced people to specialise on one/two enterprises. Turning the tap off overnight destroyed Sri Lanka, phasing it out over time and encouraging muck to be used as fertiliser instead of artificial and getting farmers up to scratch with organic methods like hoeing etc beforehand would have helped them massively.

I think we actually agree, the stance taken by Sri Lanka was the damaging part not the organic part. Sri Lanka is in alsorts of trouble for various reasons. One being now they can't afford fuel.

As for Regen, also on the same page.

Organic/traditional farming with nature and the renewable resources the planet gives us has to be the way forward.

Completing the cycle using human manures is key, and the sooner contaminates are remove the sooner we can make constructive use of them

 

[DaveGrohl]

Conventional farming is feeding the world. It’s the horrendous waste and food distribution that’s the problem.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Conventional farming is feeding the world. It’s the horrendous waste and food distribution that’s the problem.

yes, conventional farming is feeding the world, but there are structural problems (too much power with those that distribute/sell/ process the food), also as you said, far too much waste so we have overfed and under nourished in a lot of the world as well as under nourished, but to my mind the biggest problem is our present system is not sustainable. We are burning lots of fossil fuels to produce that food, as well as losing both topsoil and organic matter in the process. To all intents and purposes topsoil is a non renewable resource too, as well as looming hydrological problems. That is why we need a re think of our food production, too much power and lobbying by the likes of Bayer or the purveyors of UPF/Fake meat, we need I think more pasture raised stock, maybe perennial cropping instead of annual and certainly organic or regenerative farming methods, possibly even more permaculture gardening.

 

[Sid]

Conventional farming is feeding the world. It’s the horrendous waste and food distribution that’s the problem.

So the world isn't fed.

It's too cheap and it's wasted and produced in the wrong parts.

 

[7610 super q]

Well, well, well. Not all beer and skittles in the mighty EU then.........
Kept that one quiet.

 

[Sid]

yes, conventional farming is feeding the world, but there are structural problems (too much power with those that distribute/sell/ process the food), also as you said, far too much waste so we have overfed and under nourished in a lot of the world as well as under nourished, but to my mind the biggest problem is our present system is not sustainable. We are burning lots of fossil fuels to produce that food, as well as losing both topsoil and organic matter in the process. To all intents and purposes topsoil is a non renewable resource too, as well as looming hydrological problems. That is why we need a re think of our food production, too much power and lobbying by the likes of Bayer or the purveyors of UPF/Fake meat, we need I think more pasture raised stock, maybe perennial cropping instead of annual and certainly organic or regenerative farming methods, possibly even more permaculture gardening.

And they tellus GE is going to be the saviour.

Who will control GE? The multinational conglomerates.

Turkeys voting for Christmas

 

[BrianV]

yes, conventional farming is feeding the world, but there are structural problems (too much power with those that distribute/sell/ process the food), also as you said, far too much waste so we have overfed and under nourished in a lot of the world as well as under nourished, but to my mind the biggest problem is our present system is not sustainable. We are burning lots of fossil fuels to produce that food, as well as losing both topsoil and organic matter in the process. To all intents and purposes topsoil is a non renewable resource too, as well as looming hydrological problems. That is why we need a re think of our food production, too much power and lobbying by the likes of Bayer or the purveyors of UPF/Fake meat, we need I think more pasture raised stock, maybe perennial cropping instead of annual and certainly organic or regenerative farming methods, possibly even more permaculture gardening.

When parts of the world are starving & we do not have the spare food to feed them they will move to Europe in numbers we cannot even imagine, what then?

 

[Lowland1]

Just look at Sri Lanka, they banned all artificial fertilisers and pesticides overnight and look at the mess their in.
Organic has its place but it’s not going to feed the world.

Sri Lanka isn’t really about promoting organic farming so much as an economic matter. Due to reduced tourism due to Covid and terrorism the country was running out of hard currency to buy imported fertilisers and agrochemicals so rather than admit it they put a gloss on it and pretended they were doing something beneficial.

 

[BrianV]

Big government wants to drastically reduce fuel consumption, no problem at all just start a war with the biggest producer of energy & then blame it on them rather then our own governments, very simple isn't it!!!

 

[Sid]

Sri Lanka isn’t really about promoting organic farming so much as an economic matter. Due to reduced tourism due to Covid and terrorism the country was running out of hard currency to buy imported fertilisers and agrochemicals so rather than admit it they put a gloss on it and pretended they were doing something beneficial.

Sri Lanka fuel crisis: Waiting for days to get fuel

Even taxi drivers and car salesmen are forced into two-day mile-long queues for petrol in Sri Lanka.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[DaveGrohl]

When parts of the world are starving & we do not have the spare food to feed them they will move to Europe in numbers we cannot even imagine, what then?

Then they can waste as much food as we do ….

 

[DaveGrohl]

Sri Lanka isn’t really about promoting organic farming so much as an economic matter. Due to reduced tourism due to Covid and terrorism the country was running out of hard currency to buy imported fertilisers and agrochemicals so rather than admit it they put a gloss on it and pretended they were doing something beneficial.

Indeed, the Sri Lanka situation is a lot more complicated than the fert issue, although the fert issue obv grabs attention on here.