- Location
- Bedfordshire
Who offers the best price for Dutch openers (co6) ?
Dutch openers, horsch sprinter
- Thread starter Carington
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@warksfarmer 5” Dutch will give the same row appearance as duet u would struggle to see the difference.
The Downside of the duet is the yelllow wear plates and rivets.
The downside of the Dutch is it likes clean seed (unlikely to drill straight off heap).
Dutch openers are cheaper to run.
The Downside of the duet is the yelllow wear plates and rivets.
The downside of the Dutch is it likes clean seed (unlikely to drill straight off heap).
Dutch openers are cheaper to run.
Dutch openers are far better than the duetts, lower draft requirement less soil movement, better seed placement, better coverage of soil, row spacing is fine 5” on an 8mt is a bit wide but on 4 and 6mt 3&1/2” is fine.
The Dutch and Bourgault coulters have helped Horsch sell Sprinter drills, has made a good drill much better.
Solo coulters are the standard Horsch point with a coulter dropping seed behind. If you’ve got Dutch industries leg adaptor just put 1” point on, its only one roll pin. We drilled winter beans through a 5” open back on an 8mt admittedly at reduced speed but had no blockages, have a neighbour with an 8mt on 5” and on large spring bean seed struggled with blockages, should be ok this year with small seed!
The Dutch and Bourgault coulters have helped Horsch sell Sprinter drills, has made a good drill much better.
Solo coulters are the standard Horsch point with a coulter dropping seed behind. If you’ve got Dutch industries leg adaptor just put 1” point on, its only one roll pin. We drilled winter beans through a 5” open back on an 8mt admittedly at reduced speed but had no blockages, have a neighbour with an 8mt on 5” and on large spring bean seed struggled with blockages, should be ok this year with small seed!
warksfarmer
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Been looking around today at crops and I can’t see any negatives to the duetts here. See attached pictures, this is 7 inch duetts which have given us fantastic ground coverage which is helping grass weeds. These fields have not seen the sprayer yet because we’ve not felt the need to as the wheats almost broadcast in the way that it looks.
240hp breezes along with a 4m at upto 12km/hr easily so if the Dutch openers only reduce draft then I can’t see the point investing in them? Why are they so popular?
240hp breezes along with a 4m at upto 12km/hr easily so if the Dutch openers only reduce draft then I can’t see the point investing in them? Why are they so popular?
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dirty harry
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- Location
- east of east midlands!
Agree nowt wrong with duetts, we are running 5” &2” dutch here now, crops look the same with 5”.
However when it gets sticky with duetts you need the point in 3” to get the seed at 10mm deep, pulls lots of unnecessary raw up - not good for bg? Not so with Dutch
We are pleased only gripe is undressed seed can block too easily
Cheers dh
However when it gets sticky with duetts you need the point in 3” to get the seed at 10mm deep, pulls lots of unnecessary raw up - not good for bg? Not so with Dutch
We are pleased only gripe is undressed seed can block too easily
Cheers dh
warksfarmer
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So seeing that we are late drillers (november) and use big rates of 300kg-350kg/ha farm saved seed which we would clean and dress normally but wanting to not bother and just go off the heap the dutch opener would not suit us?
Whats wrong with the design to cause it to block?
Is there another option?
dirty harry
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- Location
- east of east midlands!
They seem to have some sharp angled internal bends that are snagging points? Bit poor on that front to be fair- It’s not ideal but I have drilled plenty of undressed stuff no problems.
The bonus for you drilling later will be significanty less depth needed to get the seed the same depth
If you’re happy stay with it, we were - but are much happier on dutch now
Cheers dh
The bonus for you drilling later will be significanty less depth needed to get the seed the same depth
If you’re happy stay with it, we were - but are much happier on dutch now
Cheers dh
- Location
- leics/warks border
I presume that's into pre-cultivated ground.
warksfarmer
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That particular picture no, stubble with straw removed but it was perfect ‘ideal’ conditions. A nice friable soil (root crop type soil) with some moisture but not wet. It’s not the norm and we were lucky.
When you have fun changing the yellow plastic wings you will see why we’ve all gone Dutch.
Dutch are cheaper to run.
If you wish to drill undressed seed the only way is to use bean tubes.
I may even cut the pipes off my the back of my Dutch openers and fit wider ones so I don’t have to use bean tubes.
They haven’t quite got it right imo.
Dutch are cheaper to run.
If you wish to drill undressed seed the only way is to use bean tubes.
I may even cut the pipes off my the back of my Dutch openers and fit wider ones so I don’t have to use bean tubes.
They haven’t quite got it right imo.
- Location
- North Yorkshire
I’ve just been sent some APM maxi part openers to try 5” and 1 “ not had a good compare with the Dutch one yet. But if they wear as well as the dts legs do then they will be very cost effective.
I know the bourgault openers have a shallower lift angle so disturb less soil than the Dutch ones
Will have a measure up of the maxi part ones
I know the bourgault openers have a shallower lift angle so disturb less soil than the Dutch ones
Will have a measure up of the maxi part ones
Definitely much cheaper to run and more versatile.
Our old 8m sprinter on duetts was significantly harder to pull than our 12m sprinter on the 5inch Dutches. They are good points but not without the odd issue with occasionally blocking up.
Sitting Pretty
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Just looking at both Dutch openers and Bourgault for my Sprinter 3ST Grain and Fert drill.
Still to gather prices for Dutch but the Bourgalt are coming in at £48 for the opener bracket which attaches to the leg and £125 for the double shoot opener which I think is about 4-5inch but happy to stand corrected.
Bourgault seem to have improved the opener after previous issues of fatigue and fert opening plugging with soil. I read that it has a lower disturbance than the Dutch but more costly to buy. There seem to be more people using the Dutch however.
From what I read on here people using Dutch are very happy with wear rates and functionality being able to switch from wide to narrow and visa versus depending on the crop being drilled.
Has anyone experience of using both types that can give pros ad cons of each.
Still to gather prices for Dutch but the Bourgalt are coming in at £48 for the opener bracket which attaches to the leg and £125 for the double shoot opener which I think is about 4-5inch but happy to stand corrected.
Bourgault seem to have improved the opener after previous issues of fatigue and fert opening plugging with soil. I read that it has a lower disturbance than the Dutch but more costly to buy. There seem to be more people using the Dutch however.
From what I read on here people using Dutch are very happy with wear rates and functionality being able to switch from wide to narrow and visa versus depending on the crop being drilled.
Has anyone experience of using both types that can give pros ad cons of each.
warksfarmer
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Where for Dutch stuff? Pan Anglia don’t reply to emails or calls so it’s to late now.
- Location
- Snodland kent
Get ours from Spaldings you need to lean on them for best price
- Location
- Snodland kent
I used 1” last year for OSR but found it very difficult to get even depth wished I’d brought the wider ones.
Huntstreet
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Evening - I know this is an old post but I suppose you all might have some useful feedback.
I have been tinkering with my old co4 drilling wheat and beans direct on 1in Burgault Vos points which equates to a 25cm row spacing. This is fine as my avatar is 25cm spacing as well. I can drill between the rows on second wheats etc.
I have decided to change the co4 for a 6m sprinter for a number of reasons. However, the leg spacing on a post 2016 machines is 28cm. This bring into question the suitability of drilling wheat on a 1 inch point. I spoke to Burgault and they suggested a 4 inch paired row. I would still go direct. Does anyone know what spacing this would this give me? Anyone doing something similar?
It’s a shame because I like the 1 inch point form a soil movement prospective.
I have been tinkering with my old co4 drilling wheat and beans direct on 1in Burgault Vos points which equates to a 25cm row spacing. This is fine as my avatar is 25cm spacing as well. I can drill between the rows on second wheats etc.
I have decided to change the co4 for a 6m sprinter for a number of reasons. However, the leg spacing on a post 2016 machines is 28cm. This bring into question the suitability of drilling wheat on a 1 inch point. I spoke to Burgault and they suggested a 4 inch paired row. I would still go direct. Does anyone know what spacing this would this give me? Anyone doing something similar?
It’s a shame because I like the 1 inch point form a soil movement prospective.
we used to run our 12m sprinter which was 30cm on the 2 inch dutch open backed point.