Eco drill drilled spring oats

[Clive]

The oats drilled with the demo we had of a John Dale eo-drill are just though in the row

Very happy with evenness of emergence, no rain since drilling a good shower would be very welcome right now

Few pictures

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[martian]

Very nice. You cultivated first and rolled afterwards? Roots look like they're is the moisture, but know what you mean about the fact a bit of rain wouldn't hurt...

 

[BSH]

Looks good. What row spacing did you have it set up for?

 

[Clive]

Very nice. You cultivated first and rolled afterwards? Roots look like they're is the moisture, but know what you mean about the fact a bit of rain wouldn't hurt...

Yes - badly rutted osr stubble crawling with slugs so 1 pass 2/3" with carrier crosscutter, drill then roll

 

[Clive]

Looks good. What row spacing did you have it set up for?

10" rows - wide aren't they ! 750a is 8" I think but that 2" certainly looks a lot

Banded DAP alongside with the other coulter though which I think has helped get them off to a good start

 

[Clive]

I have another 50ac drilled with the 750a so should be able o make some useful comparisons

750a crops only just starting to come through though as drilled a couple of days latter - gave the JD crop the same qty DAP just on top as no ability to place it

 

[BSH]

Interested to hear the results. Do you normally use DAP?

 

[Clive]

Interested to hear the results. Do you normally use DAP?

No first time I have ever used it or indeed any placed seedbed fert for that matter

 

[BSH]

should be interesting to see.

 

[combineguy]

No first time I have ever used it or indeed any placed seedbed fert for that matter

Hi

Interesting that Europe has just discovered the benefits of fert placed down the spout at sowing. Over here you can see ridgers (Reid & Grey or Storey) from the 70s which put fert down as a starter fert

 

[JNG]

Hi

Interesting that Europe has just discovered the benefits of fert placed down the spout at sowing. Over here you can see ridgers (Reid & Grey or Storey) from the 70s which put fert down as a starter fert

In Ireland it was very common back in the day 70's also (before my time) but then 80/90's it became less common. It back in fashion now as fert has become increasingly expensive, good shifts for machinery dealers, they like people to change machinery?

 

[Clive]

Hi

Interesting that Europe has just discovered the benefits of fert placed down the spout at sowing. Over here you can see ridgers (Reid & Grey or Storey) from the 70s which put fert down as a starter fert

its nothing new I don't think, just new to me, more common in Scotland than England I believe

 

[JNG]

Clive, those crops look very good, Id be a bit concerned with that row spacing in S Barley, but not Oats, it should do well with a decent growing season, to give you a bit of encouragement we grew our best crop of S Oats, drilled on 8th May and yielded over 4 t/ac. That was in early 90 and ploughed but reminds me that although season is late there is plenty of potential.

Have you left any Oats without the placed DAP to compare under the same establishment system? Here we also used DAP (125kg/ha) but broadcast in front of Claydon Hybrid so incorporated a bit.

Ive all fert on ours now as of last Friday (we had 2mm on thurs night so tried to make use of limited surface moisture but was back to dust by lunch time) S Oats can be a useful crop, for us it out yielded and kph's some WW last season, and did 3.3t/ac at 57kph, much appreciated with everything else a bit pearshaped.

 

[Clive]

Clive, those crops look very good, Id be a bit concerned with that row spacing in S Barley, but not Oats, it should do well with a decent growing season, to give you a bit of encouragement we grew our best crop of S Oats, drilled on 8th May and yielded over 4 t/ac. That was in early 90 and ploughed but reminds me that although season is late there is plenty of potential.

Have you left any Oats without the placed DAP to compare under the same establishment system? Here we also used DAP (125kg/ha) but broadcast in front of Claydon Hybrid so incorporated a bit.

Ive all fert on ours now as of last Friday (we had 2mm on thurs night so tried to make use of limited surface moisture but was back to dust by lunch time) S Oats can be a useful crop, for us it out yielded and kph's some WW last season, and did 3.3t/ac at 57kph, much appreciated with everything else a bit pearshaped.

It's my first year growing spring oats - we grew winters last year and I can see the potential but we screwed up last year with poor grass weed control thy saw brome dominate the crop, hope these go better !

I left an area without placed DAP for comparison and we also have a 750a drilled area with broadcast DAP to compare

Would have liked to try a 5" spaced area with the Dale as well but it's not a 5min job to swap over and we wanted to get on as lots to do at the time

My gut feeling is 10" would be too wide for WW but ideal for WOSR with some DAP again to get things going

Pity we had to run the carrier over this land as I think the moisture retention would have been outstanding and got them up and away even faster ........ Maybe next year !

 

[Robert]

Clive, when you grew your record wheat yield with the seed hawk demo, what row spacing was that on? Is tha seed hawk row spacing old and new very fixed?

 

[JNG]

Clive, the oats seem to have got moisture below carrier depth so I doubt it's made that much difference to moisture, maybe if a week later drilled and dried out more it may have been more difficult for them.

 

[Clive]

Clive, when you grew your record wheat yield with the seed hawk demo, what row spacing was that on? Is tha seed hawk row spacing old and new very fixed?

interestingly it was on 10" now you mention it ! no seedbed fert with that though. I can't recall if it was fixed or not however

 

[Clive]

Clive, the oats seem to have got moisture below carrier depth so I doubt it's made that much difference to moisture, maybe if a week later drilled and dried out more it may have been more difficult for them.

I think we have got away with it, although the to 2-3" was very dry at drilling there must have been just enough there to get them germinated and push a root into the water below

I can certainly see that spring crops have got a lot more potential here on our light soils in the future as in a more normal autumn I would have had a cover crop planted ahead of this and would have drilled without disturbance direct into it, regardless of subsequent rain fall I reckon that would get a spring crop of to a great start with plenty of sealed in moisture available plus the cover crop providing great protection from evaporation etc

 

[Clive]

Bit of an update - looking good I reckon

Dale drilled, DAP placed

 

[Clive]

In comparison these were drilled with the 750a and DAP broadcast on top

To be fair the Dale crops were drilled 4 days before the 750a crops so probably accounts for a lot of the differences at this stage

I do think the Dale crops have an impressive amount of roots under them already - is this the fert placement and seedbed P ?