Eco drill drilled spring oats

[Feldspar]

Looks good. Better than all my dd barley. I'm gonna subsoil before spring crops from now on

I happened to be looking at the direct drilling photo gallery on the BFF and I lift a quote from page 24:

"Cultivation begets cultivation."

Guess the author!

 

[SilliamWhale]

I know and I do believe it. But a couple of the fields are not there in terms of structure yet. Anything 4 to 5 years no till is fine. It takes time to get things how you want them.

Always done bits of subsoiling here and there though

 

[JNG]

Funny you should say that, as I was just thinking the same thing my self today! I have got some fairly disasterous spring barley where it went in to too wet ground, but where I had some subsoiled strips the establishment was much better. That said the main issue has been going into turf. Where turf was well destroyed by trampling ( even some areas that I thought were a bit compacted) the establishemtn has been fine. I think the subsoiling allowed a better crumble in the slot. Also it seems that subsoiling is better than shallow cultivating.

Was that subsoiling done last Autumn or before the drill?

 

[BSH]

Was that subsoiling done last Autumn or before the drill?[/quote

It was done some 3 to 4 weeks before it was drilled using a grassland shakerator at about 8'' deep.

 

[Clive]

How do these compare to the spread DAP and 750a drilled oats?

Some pics of the 750a spring oats for comparison

 

[Badshot]

Have you ordered the dale yet then? Quite a big difference there, drilling dates similar?

 

[Clive]

Have you ordered the dale yet then? Quite a big difference there, drilling dates similar?

4 days difference drilling

Dale does look the better crop but to be fair it is on the better land

let see how they yield, all sprayed today with Starane XL, modus and tecbucon

 

[Badshot]

4 days can be an eternity or an irrelevance, and I think in this case it's an eternity, did you lose moisture on these oats with your shallow cult to level the field ? I don't think the difference is that though, I think it's the difference between the placed fert and a tine over a disc, somehow a tine even shallow seems too mineralise some N, and mean the plant goes into uncompacted soil, whereas a disc always seems to compact the slot a bit

 

[Clive]

4 days can be an eternity or an irrelevance, and I think in this case it's an eternity, did you lose moisture on these oats with your shallow cult to level the field ? I don't think the difference is that though, I think it's the difference between the placed fert and a tine over a disc, somehow a tine even shallow seems too mineralise some N, and mean the plant goes into uncompacted soil, whereas a disc always seems to compact the slot a bit

All of it dale or JD had a shallow cultivation from the carrier so no difference there or variance in moisture loss really

Rotationally there is difference, the dale crop in the pic is after WOSR and the JD crop is after wheat giving the dame and advantage I guess ? I do however have a small area of JD drilled oats in a Dale drilled field as a comparison

I don't think mineralised N would count for much here as both crops have had plenty of N from day one - arguably better placed by the Dale though ?

The dale crop is on better ground, some of my 4t wheat ground where as the JD crop is on land with a 3.5t potential in wheat

It's certainly interesting comparing the crops, how they look is one thing but its how they yield that I'm really interested in !

 

[JNG]

All of it dale or JD had a shallow cultivation from the carrier so no difference there or variance in moisture loss really

Rotationally there is difference, the dale crop in the pic is after WOSR and the JD crop is after wheat giving the dame and advantage I guess ? I do however have a small area of JD drilled oats in a Dale drilled field as a comparison

I don't think mineralised N would count for much here as both crops have had plenty of N from day one - arguably better placed by the Dale though ?

The dale crop is on better ground, some of my 4t wheat ground where as the JD crop is on land with a 3.5t potential in wheat

It's certainly interesting comparing the crops, how they look is one thing but its how they yield that I'm really interested in !

We would need to see a few photos of the same field comparison Clive, is there similar differences? This is very interesting to all of us thinking about what direct drill to buy!

 

[Clive]

We would need to see a few photos of the same field comparison Clive, is there similar differences? This is very interesting to all of us thinking about what direct drill to buy!

Will take a picture tomorrow

From a buyers point of view it's hard to compare the drills, The 750a can do things the Dale couldn't do re trash etc so if I had to chose one drill of the 2 it would be the 750a despite the results of these oats. The dale would no way have done the job of establishing my wheats into the level of cover I did I'm fairly certain

However if you already had a disc drill I can certainly see a place for a tine drill with fert placement watching what's happened with this crop if you can justify 2 machines

 

[JNG]

Will take a picture tomorrow

Cheers

 

[JNG]

A few Claydon drilled Spring Oats for comparison. Drilled 2nd April @130kg/ha. 125kg/ha DAP on seedbed. Total N @ 110kg/ha. Look better the further away you are, bit thin in places like picture 3. Getting thirsty!

 

[Clive]

A few Claydon drilled Spring Oats for comparison. Drilled 2nd April @130kg/ha. 125kg/ha DAP on seedbed. Total N @ 110kg/ha. Look better the further away you are, bit thin in places like picture 3. Getting thirsty!

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130kg/ha is a lot lighter than mine - what was the seed TGW ? We drilled 275/m2.

 

[JNG]

130kg/ha is a lot lighter than mine - what was the seed TGW ? We drilled 275/m2.

Cant remember off the top of my head the TGW now but the seed was small like all this year. Few points on seed rate, its a 39ha field and that was all the seed we could get our hands on at the time so it was made to fit (notice picture 1 one run inside headland short on ins and outs), that is the rate we usually use so felt it would be ok given that the small seed (more of them) would cancel out the less than perfect conditions. In hindsight another bit would have been a good idea but if we get some moisture it will do ok?? Oats always yield the best in wet years.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Will take a picture tomorrow

From a buyers point of view it's hard to compare the drills, The 750a can do things the Dale couldn't do re trash etc so if I had to chose one drill of the 2 it would be the 750a despite the results of these oats. The dale would no way have done the job of establishing my wheats into the level of cover I did I'm fairly certain

However if you already had a disc drill I can certainly see a place for a tine drill with fert placement watching what's happened with this crop if you can justify 2 machines

If I were you I'd get a Dale, it would be an ideal complement. Each drill can do things the other can't. Thousands of Canadians can't be wrong.

The Dale family on occasion used a power harrow or something to level up or get rid of trash to help the drill along, in my view this is where the 750 slots in but the Dale is perfect for a lot of other situations. The only thing is that you would lose a bit of money on it because of higher depreciation as they are not as trendy.

 

[Colin]

Clive,
If you want to put fert down with JD put a front tank on the tractor and blow the fert back to a cyclone, this drops the fert into the bottom of the seed meter and is then mixed with the seed down the row. This is the way it as done with accord drills back in the day and the are probably quite a few still like that now. Someone's bound to have a picture.
AFAIK the JD has an accord type metering system so it is just a case of ducting the fert into the seed stream before the Venturi.

 

[Pedders]

If I were you I'd get a Dale, The only thing is that you would lose a bit of money on it because of higher depreciation as they are not as trendy.

can you tell me where I can get one of these highly depreciated Dale drills ?

 

[Badshot]

They were selling a 6m as new but 2 or 3 year old seed hawk tined one last year for in the region of £33k.

 

[Clive]

Clive,
If you want to put fert down with JD put a front tank on the tractor and blow the fert back to a cyclone, this drops the fert into the bottom of the seed meter and is then mixed with the seed down the row. This is the way it as done with accord drills back in the day and the are probably quite a few still like that now. Someone's bound to have a picture.
AFAIK the JD has an accord type metering system so it is just a case of ducting the fert into the seed stream before the Venturi.

Been looking a fert systems today at cereals for 750a and think I might have found a liquid solution at reasonable cost