Ecotricity................

[Exfarmer]

I had assumed that none of our gas came from Russia, turns out it's 5%. I apologize for my erroneous assumption. Having read Dale's piece and his answering of questions from his customers, he has only gone up in my estimation.

The man has single handedly smashed his way into a zillion pound cartel. A cartel controlled by murdering barsteward companies like Shell and murdering barsteward regimes like Russia and Saudi Arabia. He is working his vegan socks off to bring energy home. You know, in the same way that folks on here say that we should be bringing food home.

And you ridicule him because ? Oh yeah, because he is trying to do it all along vegan principles. You need to get over yourselves. It isn't veganism that will knacker your livelihoods, it is global corporations. He is on your side, however hard you find that to stomach.

I am struggling to understand how Ecotricity is so different from these awful mega corps in supplying us gas. Now if you were talking about Zog who collapsed last December who have supplied me at a minimum of 60% discount to the majors, but were you paying 2p per unit from Dale last year ?

 

[john 650]

The maths ain't exactly clear here.

Ecotricity claim to supply 100% renewable energy....

Now, unless they're supplying 105% energy, with them buying 5% gas from Russia, then that claim can't be true, can it??

In fact, this web page of theirs, claims they use 0% Natural gas in their mix.

Our fuel mix

Ecotricity supplies 100% green electricity, generated by renewable sources including offshore wind, onshore wind, solar and hydro-electric power

www.ecotricity.co.uk

Smoke and mirrors...

 

[Gong Farmer]

And you ridicule him because ? Oh yeah, because he is trying to do it all along vegan principles. You need to get over yourselves. It isn't veganism that will knacker your livelihoods, it is global corporations. He is on your side, however hard you find that to stomach.

Not just his dietary preferences, he proudly tells the world he flies the XR flag at his football club's ground. Could be interpreted as supporting a terrorist organisation.

 

[e3120]

The maths ain't exactly clear here.

Ecotricity claim to supply 100% renewable energy....

Now, unless they're supplying 105% energy, with them buying 5% gas from Russia, then that claim can't be true, can it??

In fact, this web page of theirs, claims they use 0% Natural gas in their mix.

Our fuel mix

Ecotricity supplies 100% green electricity, generated by renewable sources including offshore wind, onshore wind, solar and hydro-electric power

www.ecotricity.co.uk

Smoke and mirrors...

I think the truth of the maths is that over a period of time (days, weeks?) it will be 100% renewable, but not instantaneously. Ie if they have to borrow fossil fuel electric, it gets paid back in renewables.

Whether this is acceptable to the purists is subject to debate, but the model wouldn't currently work if there wasn't gas to turn on.

 

[Steevo]

The charts shown in the link above show fuel used to generate electricity.

But does the 5% refer to gas supplied to customers as gas?

 

[john 650]

The charts shown in the link above show fuel used to generate electricity.

But does the 5% refer to gas supplied to customers as gas?

I had similar reservations myself. Surely Vince can't be claiming 105% supply can he?

Digging a little deeper, there's the claim "We only supply energy from renewable sources"

Energy, not electricity, or gas, energy- which surely encapsulates both forms...

On this page-

Our energy tariffs

With Ecotricity’s ethical pricing policy, we offer everyone one simple tariff for electricity, and one for gas. Get a quote and switch to green energy

www.ecotricity.co.uk

Not really sure where 5% Gasprom gas fits into that....

 

[john 650]

I think the truth of the maths is that over a period of time (days, weeks?) it will be 100% renewable, but not instantaneously. Ie if they have to borrow fossil fuel electric, it gets paid back in renewables.

Whether this is acceptable to the purists is subject to debate, but the model wouldn't currently work if there wasn't gas to turn on.

I've no doubt it has to work like that- E3120s can't turn all the time can they, nor can PV work at night. But Vince doesn't sell himself as that does he, and neither do his disciples.

 

[delilah]

Not just his dietary preferences, he proudly tells the world he flies the XR flag at his football club's ground. Could be interpreted as supporting a terrorist organisation.

I think you may be confusing FGR with Chelsea/ Man City/ Newcastle. That's terrorist connections for you. XR couldn't run a bath never mind a terrorist campaign.

I think the truth of the maths is that over a period of time (days, weeks?) it will be 100% renewable, but not instantaneously. Ie if they have to borrow fossil fuel electric, it gets paid back in renewables.

Exactly that. For every unit that goes through our meter, Ecotricity have generated a unit via renewables.

Smoke and mirrors...

Nope. That would be your supplier Octopussy. Their 'green gas' is achieved via carbon offsetting. Now that is smoke and mirrors, AKA bullsh!t.

 

[john 650]

Exactly that. For every unit that goes through our meter, Ecotricity have generated a unit via renewables.



Nope. That would be your supplier Octopussy. Their 'green gas' is achieved via carbon offsetting. Now that is smoke and mirrors, AKA bullsh!t.

So, why do they admit to suckling on the Russian gas teat, to the tune of at least 5% of their production? (despite their website proudly declaring otherwise). I'm not aware of Gazprom claiming to be a renewable source...

As for Octopussy- their green credentials are as spurious and questionable as all of the suppliers within the national grid- including Gazprom/Ecotricty. I don't buy from them because they're the greenest- they're no greener than any other supplier. They supply a commodity to me, on the basis that's most favourable to my needs, specifically for EVs.

 

[delilah]

Just for interest, our Ecotricity prices:

Your new prices ​ ​ ​ Current prices until 21/04/2022​ New prices from 22/04/2022​ Electricity​ Standing charge (per day)​ 30.3765p​ 33.285p​ ​ Unit Rate (per kWh)​ 35.1645p​ 38.6925p​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Gas​ Standing charge (per day)​ 30.09p​ 32.97p​ ​ Unit Rate (per kWh)​ 7.791p​ 8.568p​

 

[Highland Mule]

Just for interest, our Ecotricity prices:

​ ​ Your new prices​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Current prices until 21/04/2022​ New prices from 22/04/2022​ ​ Electricity​ Standing charge (per day)​ 30.3765p​ 33.285p​ ​ ​ Unit Rate (per kWh)​ 35.1645p​ 38.6925p​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Gas​ Standing charge (per day)​ 30.09p​ 32.97p​ ​ ​ Unit Rate (per kWh)​ 7.791p​ 8.568p​

Paying well over the odds then - but as long as you’re happy subsidising someone who’s actively trying to destroy animal welfare and livestock farming, you lash at it. Just don’t complain when or if he gets any traction.

 

[delilah]

Just don’t complain when or if he gets any traction.

I wouldn't complain, I would applaud him. You think that one man can make inroads into the UK livestock industry ? I know we are completely inept when it comes to promoting ourselves, but are we really that useless ?

 

[Highland Mule]

I wouldn't complain, I would applaud him. You think that one man can make inroads into the UK livestock industry ? I know we are completely inept when it comes to promoting ourselves, but are we really that useless ?

I’m not - I have a waiting list for my output.

But the idea that you applaud him for trying to kill a part of our industry? That I find bizarre to the extreme. Do you really feel the need to troll that badly?

 

[delilah]

I’m not - I have a waiting list for my output.

But the idea that you applaud him for trying to kill a part of our industry? That I find bizarre to the extreme. Do you really feel the need to troll that badly?

Then we are both doing fine; all our stock are sold before they are born, at a price of our setting, same as you, so what's the problem ?
I'm not sure what 'trolling' is tbh, all I am doing is pointing out how pathetic it is that an entire industry is seemingly feeling threatened by one bloke.

 

[john 650]

Just for interest, our Ecotricity prices:

​ ​ Your new prices​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Current prices until 21/04/2022​ New prices from 22/04/2022​ ​ Electricity​ Standing charge (per day)​ 30.3765p​ 33.285p​ ​ ​ Unit Rate (per kWh)​ 35.1645p​ 38.6925p​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Gas​ Standing charge (per day)​ 30.09p​ 32.97p​ ​ ​ Unit Rate (per kWh)​ 7.791p​ 8.568p​

Funnily enough, Octopus have emailed over the weekend, with updated prices as of April. I winced when I read the email, obviously expecting it at some point, and knowing it was going to hurt. Consequently, your post has cheered me up a little. Thank you.

Here's Octopus' new rates-

Your current Octopus Go prices Peak unit rate: 14.02p / kWh Off-peak unit rate: 5.00p / kWh Standing charge: 25.00p / day

Your new Octopus Go prices Peak unit rate: 30.77p / kWh Off-peak unit rate: 7.50p / kWh Standing charge: 24.86p / day

 

[john 650]

Then we are both doing fine; all our stock are sold before they are born, at a price of our setting, same as you, so what's the problem ?
I'm not sure what 'trolling' is tbh, all I am doing is pointing out how pathetic it is that an entire industry is seemingly feeling threatened by one bloke.

There's no feeling threatened here.

Just a slight feeling of mockery really, and a little bit of admiration.

The guy has managed to "add value" to one of the most commoditised household purchases you could possibly think of, and without any alteration what so ever to the product, has thousands of disciples, paying a huge premium, for a product that's no different to that provided across the market.... His stance on the EV chargers proves that he had no interest in actually improving the UK's CO2 emissions, only monetarising it to his interest.

He's either a marketing genius, or a con man, depending on you're personal stance on morality. Where everyone buys their electric from is a personal choice, and he's not forcing single mums in council estates to buy from him, only the suckers who fall for his spiel, so I lean towards the former.

A Green Guru- he most certainly is not....

 

[vantage]

And you ridicule him because ? Oh yeah, because he is trying to do it all along vegan principles. You need to get over yourselves. It isn't veganism that will knacker your livelihoods, it is global corporations. He is on your side, however hard you find that to stomach.

It appears to me , that nobody’s on our side!

 

[delilah]

Consequently, your post has cheered me up a little. Thank you.

Pleasure .
Dale has gone from 35p to 38p.
Octopussy from 14p to 30p.
(The Ecotricity price includes the 5% vat not sure if yours does)
One could interpret that as one company showing more prescience than the other, maybe ?

I wouldn't expect the haters to agree, but I actually think that the letter from Dale is a full and fair explanation of where we are at:

A few months ago, as the energy crisis gripped Britain, we needed to put our prices up – because despite being as fully hedged as possible, and 100% green, we were hit by unavoidable energy market costs. The adjustments we made were designed to carry us through the winter and past the next price rise from Ofgem this April – you may have seen that the price cap is rising 54% next month. And until recently we were on course for this. However, we’ve been hit with an unexpected cost by Ofgem and the government, basically another tax – this one is to pay for the cost of policy failure that has led to the demise of nearly 30 energy suppliers and the stranding of four million customers. The cost of this so far this winter is some £2 billion. And government policy is to place this cost upon surviving energy companies – making those companies that were well run, and their customers, pay for those that were not. We think this is wrong, but we are forced to pay – our share of this is nearly £7 million. Additionally, we’ve just been advised of an increase in network costs for the coming year of £3m – and there seems to be no cap on these. These new costs which kick in from April, combined with continued high wholesale costs, mean we need to move our prices up again, by 10% – we’ve absorbed as much of the impact as we could. I recognise this is not good news of course, and I regret the need to do this. It is the only way we can continue to operate, to stay in the game and keep building new green generation – which is the only effective way to end this and all future energy crises. This price rise will take effect from Friday 22 April – and your own personal projection for annual cost is below in this email. Energy bills are a real problem for us as a nation – our government is not taking effective action. Everybody will receive a £200 government “loan” to reduce their energy cost in October this year. This should not be a loan and is too little in any event. North Sea oil and gas companies have made windfall profits of tens of billions directly from this crisis, and this should be taxed to make energy bills more affordable. But the government refuses to do this. Government itself is part of this energy crisis, placing nearly £300 of tax on a typical energy bill. Meanwhile energy bills continue to become harder to afford for more and more people. Especially properly green tariffs like ours – where we charge a little more to build new forms of renewable energy. I understand this. I would prefer anybody that is struggling with their energy bills to leave us rather than stay. I appreciate the great loyalty of all our customers, from long before this energy crisis and during it – but I don’t want that to be the cause of hardship through our bills. You can get cheaper energy from a less green supplier and if you need to you should. This crisis will abate in time and if you do need to leave us at this moment, you can always rejoin us in more sensible times. My apologies for having to pass on these additional cost burdens being imposed on us, my thanks for all your support, and my best wishes and enduring gratitude, whether you stay with us or leave. Cheers, Dale Vince Ecotricity Founder​

 

[delilah]

It appears to me , that nobody’s on our side!

There's loads of people on your side. Trouble is, many on here choose to take the p!ss out of those people.

 

[john 650]

Pleasure .
Dale has gone from 35p to 38p.
Octopussy from 14p to 30p.
(The Ecotricity price includes the 5% vat not sure if yours does)
One could interpret that as one company showing more prescience than the other, maybe ?

I wouldn't expect the haters to agree, but I actually think that the letter from Dale is a full and fair explanation of where we are at:

​ ​ A few months ago, as the energy crisis gripped Britain, we needed to put our prices up – because despite being as fully hedged as possible, and 100% green, we were hit by unavoidable energy market costs. The adjustments we made were designed to carry us through the winter and past the next price rise from Ofgem this April – you may have seen that the price cap is rising 54% next month. And until recently we were on course for this. However, we’ve been hit with an unexpected cost by Ofgem and the government, basically another tax – this one is to pay for the cost of policy failure that has led to the demise of nearly 30 energy suppliers and the stranding of four million customers. The cost of this so far this winter is some £2 billion. And government policy is to place this cost upon surviving energy companies – making those companies that were well run, and their customers, pay for those that were not. We think this is wrong, but we are forced to pay – our share of this is nearly £7 million. Additionally, we’ve just been advised of an increase in network costs for the coming year of £3m – and there seems to be no cap on these. These new costs which kick in from April, combined with continued high wholesale costs, mean we need to move our prices up again, by 10% – we’ve absorbed as much of the impact as we could. I recognise this is not good news of course, and I regret the need to do this. It is the only way we can continue to operate, to stay in the game and keep building new green generation – which is the only effective way to end this and all future energy crises. This price rise will take effect from Friday 22 April – and your own personal projection for annual cost is below in this email. Energy bills are a real problem for us as a nation – our government is not taking effective action. Everybody will receive a £200 government “loan” to reduce their energy cost in October this year. This should not be a loan and is too little in any event. North Sea oil and gas companies have made windfall profits of tens of billions directly from this crisis, and this should be taxed to make energy bills more affordable. But the government refuses to do this. Government itself is part of this energy crisis, placing nearly £300 of tax on a typical energy bill. Meanwhile energy bills continue to become harder to afford for more and more people. Especially properly green tariffs like ours – where we charge a little more to build new forms of renewable energy. I understand this. I would prefer anybody that is struggling with their energy bills to leave us rather than stay. I appreciate the great loyalty of all our customers, from long before this energy crisis and during it – but I don’t want that to be the cause of hardship through our bills. You can get cheaper energy from a less green supplier and if you need to you should. This crisis will abate in time and if you do need to leave us at this moment, you can always rejoin us in more sensible times. My apologies for having to pass on these additional cost burdens being imposed on us, my thanks for all your support, and my best wishes and enduring gratitude, whether you stay with us or leave. Cheers, Dale Vince Ecotricity Founder​

VAT is included, and 75% of our consumption, as to be expected from this tariff, has gone from 5p/kw to 7.5p/kw (EVs timed/programmed to charge overnight, alongside the hungriest appliances).
Just over 31p/kw cheaper...