EFRA report into ELMS released

holwellcourtfarm

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NFFN Member
Makes a good read.

That Ian Davies dude has done some damned good work when he attended and gave evidence... Have a 🍻 on me fella!!

Thanks also go to the Grassroots Mob.(y)
Thanks. We appreciate it.

After the recording stopped the committee did say it was refreshing and helpful to actually talk to a farmer rather than a representative of an organisation, someone who could say what they thought rather than keep to an official line.

It should happen more (and not just me either).

If nothing useful comes of it at least we tried.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Thanks. We appreciate it.

After the recording stopped the committee did say it was refreshing and helpful to actually talk to a farmer rather than a representative of an organisation, someone who could say what they thought rather than keep to an official line.

It should happen more (and not just me either).

If nothing useful comes of it at least we tried.
Bang on!

I an am sure many, many others appreciate the work you have all done.

It is useful as the points were made to, and acknowledged by EFRA.
 

CornishTone

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BASIS
Location
Cornwall
You have to love this piece from the document...!

It has found that farmer groups are a great way of encouraging participation in auctions. However, collaboration can also have unintended consequences. For example, farmers from one of the trials worked together to agree and submit the same price which meant there was no difference between any of the bids.

The RSBP was unable to determine between the bids to select a bidder making the auction unsuccessful. Undeterred, it adjusted its auction platform to avoid the risk of collusion, including inserting a ‘tick box’ for bidders to confirm that their bid was made independently.


Is this the epitome of a "tick box exercise"?? Completely Farcial.... :unsure:
The Rivers Trust held one of the first Reverse Auctions, it was watched by DEFRA and the EA to see if it worked. It was a disaster! So, of course they adopted it and rolled it out to other schemes!🤷🏼‍♂️
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Sad bugger, I have read the report now. Not made notes but got a real flavour very quickly.

I think the Minister has been allowed off rather lightly really, as it is apparent that the rush to push through on ELMS, come hell or high water, is coming from him. I guess this issue will be offloaded to DEFRA to "resolve" and save face for the Govt.

I am heartened by the Report, loads and loads of positive stuff from a farmer and farming perspective with a real awareness and understanding of the multiple failings of the ELMS and SFI offerings at present, and the real issues of adequate funding needing to be resolved.

Methinks Janet Hughes and David Kennedy and their teams can cancel any pre Christmas Hols....
 
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Tubbylew

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Location
Herefordshire
The Rivers Trust held one of the first Reverse Auctions, it was watched by DEFRA and the EA to see if it worked. It was a disaster! So, of course they adopted it and rolled it out to other schemes!🤷🏼‍♂️
Thats the trouble with government departments, civil servants chasing promotions can't lose face, which is why so many of these things end up in catastrope and blown out of all proportion.
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
Thanks. We appreciate it.

After the recording stopped the committee did say it was refreshing and helpful to actually talk to a farmer rather than a representative of an organisation, someone who could say what they thought rather than keep to an official line.

It should happen more (and not just me either).

If nothing useful comes of it at least we tried.
well done guys
 

AnnieT

Member
I ve wondered about farmers views on reverse auctions - as it always seemed to me that this was a way of knocking down payments - it is not working? Difficult to find out such information as organisations dont sing about mistakes.
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
I ve wondered about farmers views on reverse auctions - as it always seemed to me that this was a way of knocking down payments - it is not working? Difficult to find out such information as organisations dont sing about mistakes.
I would not bother with one. Potentially hours of work and then get pipped at the post.

Tell me what is on offer and what is wanted, then I can run the numbers, and make an offer or produce a farm scheme, to appeal to the funder.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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NFFN Member
I would not bother with one. Potentially hours of work and then get pipped at the post.

Tell me what is on offer and what is wanted, then I can run the numbers, and make an offer or produce a farm scheme, to appeal to the funder.
I thought ELMS was supposed to be a way of delivering public goods whilst continuing to support farmers.

Reverse auctions make sense if the aim is only to deliver public goods at minimum cost but not if supporting farmers is also a target.

DEFRA need to decide what they're trying to achieve and be open about it.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
I thought ELMS was supposed to be a way of delivering public goods whilst continuing to support farmers.

Reverse auctions make sense if the aim is only to deliver public goods at minimum cost but not if supporting farmers is also a target.

DEFRA need to decide what they're trying to achieve and be open about it.
To me, it is a way of delegating responsibilty and delivery to other bodies, and allow them to make a profit... sorry, to make an administration charge...
 

delilah

Member
Potentially hours of work

Speaking of which:

Learning activities
As a Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot participant, you’ll also be paid for taking part in pilot learning activities. These should take up to 15 hours per month.

Learning activities can be either core activities or other learning. Participation in core activities is part of your agreement, but you can choose which other learning activities you’d like to complete.

Defra’s Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot learning team ([email protected]) will email a pilot learning welcome pack to you shortly. It will explain the learning activities and what you can start doing now as part of your agreement, such as keeping a learning journal. It will also tell you how to register to join the online Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot forum, a great place to exchange ideas and advice with other farmers involved with the pilot quickly and easily.



Not being funny, and not wanting to pre-empt the contents of the 'pilot learning welcome pack', but I don't see it being us who need to learn anything from this process. I'm sure it's just unfortunate wording by Defra.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Learning activities can be either core activities or other learning. Participation in core activities is part of your agreement, but you can choose which other learning activities you’d like to complete.

Defra’s Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot learning team ([email protected]) will email a pilot learning welcome pack to you shortly. It will explain the learning activities and what you can start doing now as part of your agreement, such as keeping a learning journal. It will also tell you how to register to join the online Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot forum, a great place to exchange ideas and advice with other farmers involved with the pilot quickly and easily.
I wonder how many will use this SFI forum?

Maybe they should have slipped Clive a tenner and had a closed section here...
 
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