Elections 22

[Billboy1]

Well I’m done with the conservatives for one reason. Their hell bent charge for green energy. Just seen Boris interviewed and he’s already lost 100 councillors but set to loose upto 300 with the biggest issue being cost of living crisis. He refuses to tax the energy companies repetitively saying he wants the energy companies to invest in green energy so taxing them isn’t an option even though the boss of shell said a windfall tax wouldn’t stop them investing in new technologies.

Boris clearly wants to win the worldwide race to carbon neutral and it’s going to take down U.K. agriculture in the process so the rumours of gov documents suggesting the U.K. adopt the Singapore route of importing all food and not having an agricultural industry at all look like they could well be true.

I don’t give a stuff about party gate as we all broke the rules at some point. I don’t care how many kids he’s got. I don’t care that ministers made money off the pandemic. All those things and many more don’t bother me, but the race to go green does when the science behind global warming is questionable but also other countries clearly don’t give a monkeys about going green and are carrying on as normal.

Don’t think I’ll bother voting again.

i was with you until you said "Don't think ill bother voting again".You have to vote for someone and for me maybe its a right leaning labour party . unless boris gets the boot by his own party [ unlikely ] and they change tack.

 

[warksfarmer]

Don't you own a solar farm? Can I smell a faint whiff of hypocrisy?

I’m not saying renewables are bad. What we need right now as a country is to take back control of energy and renewables can’t provide that. It’s got to be nuclear or fracking. We’ve got renewables here but they are not the be all and end all.

 

[warksfarmer]

i was with you until you said "Don't think ill bother voting again".You have to vote for someone and for me maybe its a right leaning labour party . unless boris gets the boot by his own party [ unlikely ] and they change tack.

Even with a change of leader the conservative won’t backtrack on policy unless Rory Stewart got in and that won’t happen.
Labour are to dangerous for me. All other votes are a waste so you might as well not vote.

 

[Billboy1]

but if you don't vote conservative and many others do the same labour get in anyway ? and you've lost your right to moan/complain . i think as you get older its easier to see through the lies and deciet that 90% of our politicians have to convey in order to cover their own arses .

 

[warksfarmer]

but if you don't vote conservative and many others do the same labour get in anyway ? and you've lost your right to moan/complain . i think as you get older its easier to see through the lies and deciet that 90% of our politicians have to convey in order to cover their own arses .

The problem is where to put the vote. Like I said with regards to the cons, I’ve no issues with them with things like the nhs, education, brexit, pandemic etc but the green policy is all wrong.

 

[Billboy1]

i annoyed with myself for falling for boris the buffoons bluster and hair ruffling jokey style the turning point for me was the marr interview with the pig crisis and topped off with eustuce and the organic manure comment ffs these people are supposed to be on our side !

 

[Ffermer Bach]

They’re a way off taking any power in Westminster too, but the rise in the number of councillors is a worrying trend.

We have one now, who does have experience in business at least. It’s just a shame that it’s as an ‘eco-consultant’.

Years ago, I went on a course and someone else on there was from Brighton, which at the time was run by the Greens. He said everything the council did was a disaster, and would never vote Green.

 

[S J H]

Where, In Lichtenstein?

Two local small businesses saying they've had enough of high rates and ridiculous energy costs, and they're about to pack in. Another local chap that works with a 'big national' saying their energy costs are projected to rise from £8 million a year to £16 million, and he's not sure the business is sustainable.

I have a sneaky feeling that the Tories are looking far too cocky 12 years into government, and that their complacency is going to severely bight them and the whole economy on the arse within the next 12 months.

BP expects to pay up to 1 billion pounds in UK taxes in 2022

BP said on Tuesday it expected to pay up to 1 billion pounds ($1.25 billion) in taxes in Britain on its 2022 profits, after its operating profit surged despite reporting a big writedown for exiting its Russian businesses.

www.reuters.com

But carry on with the windfall tax argument, are taxing all companies when they make more money than they’re allowed to?

 

[Tarw Coch]

i annoyed with myself for falling for boris the buffoons bluster and hair ruffling jokey style the turning point for me was the marr interview with the pig crisis and topped off with eustuce and the organic manure comment ffs these people are supposed to be on our side !

All farmers should vote conservative.






It’s just a shame we don’t have a Conservative party worthy of our vote

 

[fgc325j]

I think Boris has been in charge and done a lot of good things, his support for Ukraine, vaccinations etc, however, I feel that he has moved away from traditional Tory values, like small government, less interference from the state, lower taxes, prioritising the private sector and has totally not just lost the plot, but looking in the wrong direction with policies for the countryside and food production. I have a feeling he is championing reintroductions of extinct species and rewilding at the expense of food production, as well as not sorting out our bloated and poorly performing civil service. However, infinitely a better choice than the opposition!

Let's face it - these policies has his wife's, and her green chums, fingerprints all over him. AND - no doubt after the dismal election results they will
be pushing the idea that he lost these voters because he wasn't "green enough". After all, taking into account the rising number of Tesla's and other
EV's being purchased then it is obvious, to them, that such policies will get votes back at the next election.

 

[PSQ]

BP expects to pay up to 1 billion pounds in UK taxes in 2022

BP said on Tuesday it expected to pay up to 1 billion pounds ($1.25 billion) in taxes in Britain on its 2022 profits, after its operating profit surged despite reporting a big writedown for exiting its Russian businesses.

www.reuters.com

But carry on with the windfall tax argument, are taxing all companies when they make more money than they’re allowed to?

From the link in the above article:

• Company quarterly net profit reaches $6.25 bln

Without reading their accounts, and making the rash assumption that the 4 quarters of 2022 are all similar, are your really trying to pass off £1 billion in tax as being a fair deal, on £21 billion in profit? ($26B USD).

If you think sub 5% is a fair tax rate then you're a mug.

 

[S J H]

From the link in the above article:

• Company quarterly net profit reaches $6.25 bln

Without reading their accounts, and making the rash assumption that the 4 quarters of 2022 are all similar, are your really trying to pass off £1 billion in tax as being a fair deal, on £21 billion in profit? ($26B USD).

If you think sub 5% is a fair tax rate then you're a mug.

Are they tax dodging then or is it legal? Why don’t you ask for the tax system to be a changed which would affect thousands of other business‘

I am probably a mug as you state, I’m in the camp of keeping taxes as low as possible and seeing business thrive.

 

[PSQ]

Are they tax dodging then or is it legal? Why don’t you ask for the tax system to be a changed which would affect thousands of other business‘

I am probably a mug as you state, I’m in the camp of keeping taxes as low as possible and seeing business thrive.

I'm in the same 'low tax' camp, but tax rates should be the same for you, me, Shell, Apple, Tesla, Amazon, Tesco, BP etc etc.

You've highlighted Shell paying only 5% tax, if all corporations paid the same rate as you or I would pay for our businesses in the same country as we earned the money, then the country would be a lot richer and our tax bills would be a lot smaller. Choosing which country to pay tax in just because you've sold goods through a shell company offshore is legal. Morally its corrupt, but some people seam happy enough to defend it while paying paying their own tax through the nose.

 

[S J H]

I'm in the same 'low tax' camp, but tax rates should be the same for you, me, Shell, Apple, Tesla, Amazon, Tesco, BP etc etc.

You've highlighted Shell paying only 5% tax, if all corporations paid the same rate as you or I would pay for our businesses in the same country as we earned the money, then the country would be a lot richer and our tax bills would be a lot smaller. Choosing which country to pay tax in just because you've sold goods through a shell company offshore is legal. Morally its corrupt, but some people seam happy enough to defend it while paying paying their own tax through the nose.

No, you’ve presumed their pre tax profit for the year, you have no idea what it will actually be, and how much they’ll reinvest.

Aswell, I don’t know if this year they’ll make a bumper profit, but next they’ll be hit with higher costs and make a loss.

 

[PSQ]

No, you’ve presumed their pre tax profit for the year, you have no idea what it will actually be, and how much they’ll reinvest.

Aswell, I don’t know if this year they’ll make a bumper profit, but next they’ll be hit with higher costs and make a loss.

It was in your link, but whatever, I'm done.

 

[oil barron]

From the link in the above article:

• Company quarterly net profit reaches $6.25 bln

Without reading their accounts, and making the rash assumption that the 4 quarters of 2022 are all similar, are your really trying to pass off £1 billion in tax as being a fair deal, on £21 billion in profit? ($26B USD).

If you think sub 5% is a fair tax rate then you're a mug.

The billion is just what they pay in the UK.

When I was in the UK tax on North Sea production was running above 80% when you took it all into consideration.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

i annoyed with myself for falling for boris the buffoons bluster and hair ruffling jokey style the turning point for me was the marr interview with the pig crisis and topped off with eustuce and the organic manure comment ffs these people are supposed to be on our side !

The big problem with Boris is half the time his brains in his trousers.

If there was an election now I couldn't bring myself to vote conservative unless there were changes not just in leadership but agricultural policy too. (I've always voted conservative)

The only one who talks any sense about farming is Tim Farron from Lib Dems

 

[Ffermer Bach]

The big problem with Boris is half the time his brains in his trousers.

If there was an election now I couldn't bring myself to vote conservative unless there were changes not just in leadership but agricultural policy too. (I've always voted conservative)

The only one who talks any sense about farming is Tim Farron from Lib Dems

I was veering towards the Lib Dems, but, I voted to leave the EU, as I didn't like the democratic deficit I felt there is in Europe, and, the Lib Dems total disregard for the democratic wishes (although only a small majority, but if we had wanted a higher majority to change the status quo, that should have been demanded before the referendum) of the country over leaving have totally stopped any inclination I may have had towards them.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

I was veering towards the Lib Dems, but, I voted to leave the EU, as I didn't like the democratic deficit I felt there is in Europe, and, the Lib Dems total disregard for the democratic wishes (although only a small majority, but if we had wanted a higher majority to change the status quo, that should have been demanded before the referendum) of the country over leaving have totally stopped any inclination I may have had towards them.

I have the same reservation about them . I've read they're European policy statement and although they state their long term aim as EU membership they're not talking about another referendum anymore. They're suggesting membership of EFTA of EEA which would give access to the free market with less of the political crxp. That's probably what we should have been in from the beginning

 

[Henarar]

Yes
Fert men set their prices
Market sets ours

What we need is just 6 or 8 big farming companies in the whole of the UK, have some real clout in the marketplace then.