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- NSW, Newstralya
Electric cars long term owners
- Thread starter daveydiesel1
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- NSW, Newstralya
The next car or work ute I buy will be electric, & just quietly I think I have more cause for “range anxiety” than most on here
when my father was a boy they had to load up with jerry cans of petrol if they wanted to go anywhere & when I first got my licence ( nearly 40 yrs ago ) you had to plan long distance trips because there were very few 24 hour servos in rural areas & you could be stuck somewhere overnight or even over the whole weekend, waiting for the servos to open again. Now we just take it for granted that you can buy fuel anywhere anytime . . . Within my driving lifetime
PS - my current vehicles are a Subaru Outback, a V8 100 Series Landcruiser with 250 l long range tanks, a 70 Series Landcruiser with 180 l fuel capacity, a 3.0 Hilux & a few motorbikes ( I even have a WR450 bike with extra tanks, 36 l capacity & have also carried an extra 20 l on it in fuel bladders, so I DO like long range in my vehicles ) - so I’m definitely not anti ICE, just excited about the future potential
when my father was a boy they had to load up with jerry cans of petrol if they wanted to go anywhere & when I first got my licence ( nearly 40 yrs ago ) you had to plan long distance trips because there were very few 24 hour servos in rural areas & you could be stuck somewhere overnight or even over the whole weekend, waiting for the servos to open again. Now we just take it for granted that you can buy fuel anywhere anytime . . . Within my driving lifetime
PS - my current vehicles are a Subaru Outback, a V8 100 Series Landcruiser with 250 l long range tanks, a 70 Series Landcruiser with 180 l fuel capacity, a 3.0 Hilux & a few motorbikes ( I even have a WR450 bike with extra tanks, 36 l capacity & have also carried an extra 20 l on it in fuel bladders, so I DO like long range in my vehicles ) - so I’m definitely not anti ICE, just excited about the future potential
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Quite true but you can use "diversity" on electric hobs and you can't on an EV charger. The nail in the coffin is that everyone is being encouraged to install heat pumps which will strain the grid even more. Adding an EV charger (capable of an acceptable charge time) and a heat pump to the average house will cause serious problems in the majority of situations, especially from a distribution point of view even if only say half of houses do it.
In cold months heat pumps will consume over 60kWh/day, add on say 15kWh to charge up an EV for a commute, or 30kWh or more for 2 EVs and/or long commutes, plus the extra consumption from electric cookers now that presumably gas hobs and cookers will be gone if the gas boilers are gone, so with 40% diversity thats 2.4kW per house just for the hob.
I have oil heating and LPG hob and my house uses under 200kWh/month of electricity consistently, so you can see that adding 90kWh/day (heating+2 EVs) is a problem, in a cold month i would be using 2900kWh instead of 200kWh currently, ignoring the fact that i would probably be blowing my house' s 80A main service fuse several times a month.
You can see that there are going to be enormous supply problems with this completely unthought-out push to all electric.
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Sorry to say not in the uk, solar export in the uk for new installs is about 5p/kwh while the home owner is likely paying 19p/kwh or more I wish they did offsets as pay back for solar would be like 4 years or less.
I understand why they don’t in the uk they were worried that the costs of servicing the grid were not being taken care of, but I hope we don’t go like California is planning to do.
https://www.kpbs.org/news/politics/...t-new-rules-proposed-by-california-regulators
I think that is a step to far but it’s likely because of net metering, so the uk system is fine by me.
And they say solar and wind are just terrible.
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- Buckinghamshire
I have said it before how can you trust any one with a contract when one side has the ability to alter the rules to suit them selves as they see fit.
If we had a hot climate like Australia and millions of acres of basically free land we would be mad not to cover it in panels. However...
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- NSW, Newstralya
err, not wanting to argue, but solar power has nothing to do with heat - Germany produces more solar power than we do, and solar farms are generally built near areas of population, so definitely NOT free land . . .
We have lots of sunshine, so solar is obvious choice. Other areas have lots of wind, or wave action, or whatever - the options for “renewables” are endless & dependent on your own environmental factors . . .
PS - there are areas in the UK with a sh!t load of wind or tidal action. Just saying . . .
There is a reason Germany produces more, and until quite recently the UK were paying for a good portion of it. I agree solar is a good idea but I'm not for it it if it's not viable without subsidy, so I'm happy that subsidies are ending. Mainland Europe farmers seem to have been a lot better at rinsing the subsidies than the UK, just look at the amount of AD plants, solar farms etc.
What I meant by basically free, was that Australian land prices are nothing when compared to UK
Boomerang
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Electric electric electric.
How is the electric being generated is the important question ?
Formula e , extreme e , all "green racing" and all rely on Cummins generators buzzing away in a corner of paddock but no one mentions this . it's NOT green.
It's all smoke and mirrors ,unless it's all renewable , solar, wind , hydro, it's NOT green.
We don't have anywhere near enough renewable generation.
I don't understand the headlong rush into electric .
Charging infrastructure is no where near what we need . .
We need a revolution in power generation, not been invented yet.
The whole of mankind is reliant completly on Fossil fuels
Nearly
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- North of York
The bits with loads of wind or waves tend to be the pretty bits that people don't want to see whirly things in.
'Not in my National Park.'
https://grid.iamkate.com/
It can be seen, sunny days, or windy days, even now it can be over half of gross production from renewables/ carbon neutral/nuclear.
the numbers from home solar are not visible on these charts or at least I don’t think they are as they are last mile instals so not live meters like big installations, that are shown.
payback on home solar will be far quicker if energy prices stay high for long, when you were saving 14p per unit or less form home solar and exports were 4-5p per units then paybacks were long maybe 10 years or more, but at the average tariff now that’s maybe up to 30p per units so that solar payback time may have halved.
land that’s without subs any type of from the government. In the uk.
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- North Norfolk
I would be happy for subsidies for renewables to be cut, but only once the tax breaks and decommissioning subsidies for fossil fuels have been removed.
there are no subsidies or real tax breaks for fossil fuels. decommisioning tax relief (not subsidy) is very similar to how every other industry operates, whereby if you have huge cost on one particular project it can be offset against your overall profit.
how else would you do it?
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- North Norfolk
I must try to find the reference I had last month showing the amount of subsidies and tax breaks for renewables and fossil fuels, the latter was far more than the renewables and from what I recall it was a reputable source.
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- North Norfolk
I think the IEA is quite reputable, even if some think it is in the pocket of the fossil fuel industry. This is quite old but probably still relevant
please do. it isnt a tax break, or a subsidy, it is simply allowing oil companies to have decommissioning as a business expense (which it quite clearly is). and of course it will be much bigger, as the renewable industry is tiny in comparison to the oil industry.
what you are basically saying is that oil decommisioning costs are larger than the subsidies for renewables (which have been scaled back massively over the last 5 years or so)
at least in the UK, which is only a small part of that chart. I have no idea globally.
IMO neither should get any effective tax breaks or subsidies, and fossil fuels dont in the UK.
Normal plug-in "granny" chargers are about 10A, so roughly about 2.5kw max. Charging 2 or 3 vehicles overnight shouldn't be a problem for most houses' supplies (assuming the individual circuits/MCBs/wiring are up to it).
Frankzy
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What? No there are tons of subsidies for the fossil fuel industry, the UK alone provides direct subsidies on exploration, development and tax cuts that amounts to more than 10,5 billion! Renewables doesn't even get a tenth of that...
These 10,5bn is one of the biggest fossil fuel subsidies in Europe by the way.
ollie989898
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The Germans decided to shut all their nuclear plants. They decided to invest heavily in solar and wind.
They have the most expensive electricity in Europe- around .35 cents/kWh. Explain it to me? They are also burning more coal (lignite as well) these days....?
If they had invested in nuclear power 40 years ago they would have solved their emissions already.
They have the most expensive electricity in Europe- around .35 cents/kWh. Explain it to me? They are also burning more coal (lignite as well) these days....?
If they had invested in nuclear power 40 years ago they would have solved their emissions already.