Electric cars

Clever Dic

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Location
Melton
Bought this 2 weeks ago ..a hybrid local commute all electric but when you want to play engine kicks in and will see off an M3.
Plus it makes me smile ..all the time.
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jhorr30

Member
Location
Edinburgh
is anyone buying an electric car/suv?
Whats the best one?
Is it right u get an interest free loan?
By the time you got down from the hills the bloody thing would be needing charged again!
I know someone who has a tesla. Awesome bit of kit. Has solar panels and a tesla wall/battery on the house and a charging station at his office. You can take the power back out the car battery to power the house reducing your running costs further. Luckily the capacity of the Tesla battery is that good he has more than enough juice to get him to the office.
He has started to buy hybrid industrial machines and would buy full electric without any problems as long as it would give him enough range, duty time and cycle time of a conventionally powered machine.
 
We've just bought a fully electric VW Golf with the help of the interest free loan. We have two smallish wind turbines and solar panels on the house, so plenty of spare electricity to charge. Smart charging point installed with the help of grants.

Range is about 120 miles. Really good to drive and quick. Just like a good spec Golf inside. However, the sums only really added up with an interest free loan and free electricity to charge it. Second hand value in a few years time something of a gamble as well.
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
Er, expand?

So, battery range is approx 15 miles (not the 20 quoted). Once the battery is exhausted the petrol engine takes over. The petrol tank is small, and on motorway journeys can’t go Gloucester to Newark without filling up.

On long motorway journeys the mpg is approx 30, which is not better than a normal petrol car. If you tow anything you’ll be lucky to get double figure mpg.

It’s supposed to have 4wd. I’m sure I puts power to all 4 wheels, but there is no diff lock, so it gets bogged in on wet grass.

It was recalled for some post production work once. The hire company tried to replace it with a Peugeot 308. “Yeah sure thing. I’ll put the quad in the boot and the collie in the passenger seat. I assume you’ll be happy to have any dead sheep on the back seat?”

All in all, the £21k it cost me would have been infinitely better utilised in buying an ex demo top spec Ford Ranger.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
We have put 75k miles on our Leaf. Came ex demo. Paid £14k fully specced. Faultless. Range is low compared to the new leaf but there are very few times we use more than 100 miles a day. Servicing very cheap. Electric is maybe 1. 5 p per mile. At a residual value of nil at 100k miles it will be circa 24p per mile all-in.
 
Get a good petrol car for less?

I have no doubt.

But the Tesla X probably - I haven’t had REAL experience of it, just a look at my friends one - stands up against petrol/diesel cars of equivalent £. My mate tells me it is every bit as quick as his 911 (he is a lucky car fiend) is 4x4 and seats 6 people in luxury.

I sound like an advert, sorry.

TSS
 

Daniel Larn

Member
I'd have any Tesla in a heartbeat! I have driven the model S a few times now, in the 75, 90 and 100D varieties.

Beats every other car I've had the pleasure of sitting in hands down.

I'd say it isn't the most thrilling drive, once you get over the acceleration, I've had more fun rallying on Dartmoor in my wife's Citigo.

However, on a long journey and for your daily driving, they really are a nice place to be.

The thing I like the most about them is the quiet, the first time I drove a Tesla I found it ruined the experience of even a nice ICE car.
 

Scribus

Member
Location
Central Atlantic
is anyone buying an electric car/suv?
Whats the best one?
Is it right u get an interest free loan?

Best for what?

There is a subsidy which which helps you buy a new EV which has the following consequences -

The earth is ravaged for more metals and minerals required for the battery.
Children are kept employed down the cobalt mines in the Congo*
Communist China has an interest/control in 80% of the lithium market
EV's will usher in vehicle tracking and other invasions of you privacy.
EV's have the potential to grant the state far greater control over your travel
Money used to subsidise those who can afford a new car (welfare for the wealthy) is taken from needier causes.
Heavier EV's do more damage to the road.
Your tyres will wear out quicker
You will be taking a step backwards to the inconvenience of the horse and cart.
You will not be reducing the carbon footprint over a standard car for approx 25,000 miles
You are creating a battery disposal problem further down the line.
You will be purchasing a car with a life dictated by the battery, ie, shorter than standard cars.
The battery will lose range with age and use (would you buy a standard car with a shrinking tank?)
Running costs will eventually rise to match standard cars, the government knows what we are willing to pay for travel and will tax them accordingly.


At the end of the day the idea that battery cars are in anyway green or better for the environment is laughable, especially when you consider other alternatives to fossil fuels. As noted on another thread, California may be turning away from fossil fuels but electric vehicles are not the preferred choice, instead, bio diesel is the clear favourite.

*https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cobalt...cratic-republic-congo-cbs-news-investigation/
 

Scribus

Member
Location
Central Atlantic
I had a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV on lease hire for 3 years. I wish I'd never laid eyes on the bloody thing. Avoid at all costs.

A friend had a Leaf on demo for a week, couldn't wait to get rid of it. Had to do a long trip at short notice and got caught out with charge level and wasted three hours at a service station because once the charge falls below 20% you have to have a full top up, or some similar technicality you're not told about.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Best for what?

There is a subsidy which which helps you buy a new EV which has the following consequences -

The earth is ravaged for more metals and minerals required for the battery.
Children are kept employed down the cobalt mines in the Congo*
Communist China has an interest/control in 80% of the lithium market
EV's will usher in vehicle tracking and other invasions of you privacy.
EV's have the potential to grant the state far greater control over your travel
Money used to subsidise those who can afford a new car (welfare for the wealthy) is taken from needier causes.
Heavier EV's do more damage to the road.
Your tyres will wear out quicker
You will be taking a step backwards to the inconvenience of the horse and cart.
You will not be reducing the carbon footprint over a standard car for approx 25,000 miles
You are creating a battery disposal problem further down the line.
You will be purchasing a car with a life dictated by the battery, ie, shorter than standard cars.
The battery will lose range with age and use (would you buy a standard car with a shrinking tank?)
Running costs will eventually rise to match standard cars, the government knows what we are willing to pay for travel and will tax them accordingly.


At the end of the day the idea that battery cars are in anyway green or better for the environment is laughable, especially when you consider other alternatives to fossil fuels. As noted on another thread, California may be turning away from fossil fuels but electric vehicles are not the preferred choice, instead, bio diesel is the clear favourite.

*https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cobalt...cratic-republic-congo-cbs-news-investigation/
Couldnt care less as long as its cheaper than the robbery of £1.30 deisel
 

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