Electric cars

[Scribus]

The Chinese seem to be putting a big brake on electric cars, starting very soon, possibly in favour of hydrogen in one form or another. The reason being, apparently, because of the solution and pollutants released to produce batteries and motors and the probably future pollution due to their disposal.

Watch this space. Electric cars have a lot of obstacles in their way that are yet to make themselves known in Europe.

Oh I think the obstacles are known, it's just that there is nobody talking about them for whatever reason. Instead, we have endless nonsense and evasion from the EV industry desperate to get their noddy cars over the line before the balloon goes up.

Quite what China is up to is anybody's guess, they don't seem to know themselves, but there will be plenty of red faces when the EV bubble goes pop which is looking ever more likely.

 

[Scribus]

The Chinese will invent the alternative technologies that get mmankind out of the carbon age.

Why should we want to do that? Using carbon to manage energy has been tried and tested over billions of years.

 

[ollie989898]

Why should we want to do that? Using carbon to manage energy has been tried and tested over billions of years.

Because it will be cheaper and less people will die from air pollution.

If you think China dominate the world now, wait until they have a class leading way of producing electricity, the cheapest liquid fuels and the cheapest process heat as well.

 

[Scribus]

They are reducing or removing subsidies on all electric cars.

Such awkward facts don't fit in with the agenda of the EV lobby which is why they attempt to spin and fib their way out tight corners all the time. Even the EV fanzines are at it -

https://electrek.co/2019/03/26/china-electric-car-subsidies/

 

[Scribus]

Because it will be cheaper and less people will die from air pollution.

If you think China dominate the world now, wait until they have a class leading way of producing electricity, the cheapest liquid fuels and the cheapest process heat as well.

Those liquid fuels are more than likely to be carbon based.

 

[renewablejohn]

What I have actually said is that the best batteries use cobalt, not all of them. One of your little fibs again.

Come on then where did you say that prior to the statement above. Not being accused of fibs unless you can prove it.

 

[ollie989898]

Those liquid fuels are more than likely to be carbon based.

Quite possibly, mostly due to energy density per unit volume but they won't be from fossil sources making them effectively carbon neutral. It would make batteries or similar methods largely redundant in heavier machinery or aircraft.

 

[renewablejohn]

Such awkward facts don't fit in with the agenda of the EV lobby which is why they attempt to spin and fib their way out tight corners all the time. Even the EV fanzines are at it -

https://electrek.co/2019/03/26/china-electric-car-subsidies/

You really cannot believe what you write at times. You moan the only reason why electric cars are selling is because of subsidies then when China reduces the subsidy by 50% you still moan and its now all doom and gloom as you believe people will not buy EV's without subsidy.

 

[renewablejohn]

Dont think the chinese are that worried about EV sales.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/06/02/vw-passat-geely-emgrand-shine-in-a-cooling-month/

 

[Scribus]

You really cannot believe what you write at times. You moan the only reason why electric cars are selling is because of subsidies then when China reduces the subsidy by 50% you still moan and its now all doom and gloom as you believe people will not buy EV's without subsidy.

?

 

[Scribus]

Quite possibly, mostly due to energy density per unit volume but they won't be from fossil sources making them effectively carbon neutral. It would make batteries or similar methods largely redundant in heavier machinery or aircraft.

Which is exactly as it should be, indeed, it will make batteries in cars little more than a novelty, a niche market, which is what they are now.

 

[Scribus]

Come on then where did you say that prior to the statement above. Not being accused of fibs unless you can prove it.

My latest mention was in post 343 of June 1st

The current state of play is that the most efficient batteries require a certain amount of cobalt.

Good to see that you are at last getting the hang of this backing up claims lark.

 

[renewablejohn]

My latest mention was in post 343 of June 1st

The current state of play is that the most efficient batteries require a certain amount of cobalt.

Good to see that you are at last getting the hang of this backing up claims lark.

Yet more completely out of context nit picking totally ignoring the previous comment about cobalt batteries or lithium batteries. No more than what I come to expect from you.

 

[Scribus]

Yet more completely out of context nit picking totally ignoring the previous comment about cobalt batteries or lithium batteries. No more than what I come to expect from you.

Talking about being out of things, you're out of your tree.

 

[renewablejohn]

Just goes to show you dont need big batteries for an electric car to go a long way.

https://electrek.co/2018/12/17/solar-powered-car-breaks-record/

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Just goes to show you dont need big batteries for an electric car to go a long way.

https://electrek.co/2018/12/17/solar-powered-car-breaks-record/

They’ve been running that solar challenge since Adam was a boy. It used to be called the BP Solar challenge (spot the irony) as I recall.

I was a kid growing up in NSW at the time they did the first one, I think it was early eighties. I’m sure it ran north to south too (Darwin or Alice to Adelaide) rather than west to east. I have to google it now to check.

My uni lecturer was a big electric car nut, and had organised several sponsored entries over the years. The team from UNSW have always been very competitive.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Not such a good ad for hydrogen when this sort of thing happens...

Hydrogen station explodes, Toyota halts sales of fuel cell cars, is this the end?

 

[Scribus]

Just goes to show you dont need big batteries for an electric car to go a long way.

https://electrek.co/2018/12/17/solar-powered-car-breaks-record/

And the connection with reality is.....?

 

[ollie989898]

Not such a good ad for hydrogen when this sort of thing happens...

Hydrogen station explodes, Toyota halts sales of fuel cell cars, is this the end?

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I don't like the idea of hydrogen as a concept. It's a PITA to deal with.

 

[renewablejohn]

And the connection with reality is.....?

Self charging car going to be produced at the old Saab factory in Sweden.

https://sonomotors.com/en/sion/

Can also be charged from the grid or other vehicles and is two way so could run your house.