Ellie Harrison

[traineefarmer]

I don't think calling him 'black' in this case is racist, but merely using his colour as an identifier because it's the most visually obvious and distinctive thing about him to someone who maybe doesn't know his life story or that he has a big dog. For example for me it would be
"I saw Chopsy earlier and she told me..."
"Chopsy who?"
"Big Chopsy"
"Oh right"
because I am unusually tall for a woman. No offence intended and none taken at someone stating the obvious unchangeable truth.

Do you need to change it? Only if John doesn't like his nickname. If you don't like describing him as Black John then don't. You could try RAF John but why not just ask him what he'd prefer as a nickname if there is a surfeit of John's in your area?

Black john isn't a nickname nor would I want to have such a conversation with someone who isn't a close friend. I know and refer to him by his forename and his surname and wouldn't want it any other way. I was highlighting how for others who know him it is his skin colour that identifies him above his career, dog or anything else.

 

[traineefarmer]

The 'white' people that champion BLM need to walk through parts of our cities, day or night and see just how fecked up they are due to 'minorities' controlling them.

Most of the big cities are fecked up by a Labour majority in the council rather than any particular minority.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Used to play rugby against the foresters......big buggers can still feel the pain 35 years later

A couple of them were on the books at Hawick when I was there. Top blokes in every way

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

Black john isn't a nickname nor would I want to have such a conversation with someone who isn't a close friend. I know and refer to him by his forename and his surname and wouldn't want it any other way. I was highlighting how for others who know him it is his skin colour that identifies him above his career, dog or anything else.

I'm confused. You didn't call him 'Black John' after all?

Maybe for others it's not his skin colour that defines him first and that's an assumption you made because it's what is immediately obvious to you and he would be just as identifiable as RAF John, or John on the PCC?

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

Probably better than the likes of big nose, wonky eyes, big ears or plenty of others, kids can certainly be cruel in such matters.

I didn't realise we'd already met. Or maybe share some genetic heritage

 

[delilah]

Thats obvious but why does that not translate into management. There are lot’s of complaints over a lack of black managers but none over too many black players.

That's equally obvious. The club owners are racist. Jack Walker was at least open about it, it must surely still be common. They want the lads of colour to do the heavy lifting ie win the trophies but they don't want to sit in the boardroom with them.

 

[Lowland1]

That's equally obvious. The club owners are racist. Jack Walker was at least open about it, it must surely still be common. They want the lads of colour to do the heavy lifting ie win the trophies but they don't want to sit in the boardroom with them.

Or white people make better managers just as black players are better than white ones. 70% of NFL players are black. Obviously I would be playing centre forward for Liverpool if I wasn’t white. Forget racism in the countryside it’s this racism that needs to be addressed.

 

[delilah]

Or white people make better managers just as black players are better than white ones. 70% of NFL players are black. Obviously I would be playing centre forward for Liverpool if I wasn’t white. Forget racism in the countryside it’s this racism that needs to be addressed.

Black players aren't better than white players, ie they aren't born better, as said they're hungrier and cheaper. You could have been John Barnes, you just weren't hungry enough. He wanted those bananas more than you did.

 

[Lowland1]

Black players aren't better than white players, ie they aren't born better, as said they're hungrier and cheaper. You could have been John Barnes, you just weren't hungry enough. He wanted those bananas more than you did.

They’d have to throw pork pies at me.

 

[Terryyen]

There are many areas in cities that no white person should go like Birmingham and Bristol to name two, people like Ellie Harrison should open their eyes and see the real world for what it is.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Tongue in cheek comment.....
Is it because the players are told what to do whereas the managers have to think for themselves

That's not tongue in cheek. That's just a sh!t thing to say

 

[hally]

A couple of them were on the books at Hawick when I was there. Top blokes in every way

Yeah last time we played them, thought we had quite a good team.....turns out we didn’t

 

[Lowland1]

That's not tongue in cheek. That's just a sh!t thing to say

The way it’s written is wrong but the sentiment may not be. Why do certain races not advance themselves and others do. The general consensus we are coming from is that there is a bias against some. Is it true or is there a form of natural selection that’s pushing some groups of people forward.

 

[egbert]

Black players aren't better than white players, ie they aren't born better, as said they're hungrier and cheaper. You could have been John Barnes, you just weren't hungry enough. He wanted those bananas more than you did.

Do you really believe that's all of it?

I don't know much bout biology, but that seems awful strange to me.
Cos it doesn't half look like people of African descent* seem to be able - 1 for 1- to run faster than other races, run further than other races, punch harder - or maybe it's stick more punches...I don't watch boxing, or any sports.
And I'd presume such physical prowess has an effect on the football/rugby field.

It's even specific than that in some cases. (Some) people of northern Kenyan or Ethiopian descent seem to make much better long distance runners than ...well, almost anyone.
Meanwhile, they- people of African decent- evidently don't have much drive to succeed at international level in the pool. curiouser and curiouser said Alice
Perhaps the moneys not good enough in swimming @delilah?

*and for the avoidance of doubt, I'm referring to folk who've come out of Africa in recent centuries, as opposed to everyone else.

 

[egbert]

The way it’s written is wrong but the sentiment may not be. Why do certain races not advance themselves and others do. The general consensus we are coming from is that there is a bias against some. Is it true or is there a form of natural selection that’s pushing some groups of people forward.

hush your mouth you awful bad person...you can't even think such heresy, ne'er mind speculate out loud.
They'll be wagging their fingers at you now!

(and i have no idea about such stuff, nor opinions on it...the physical stuff is measurable,...that's harder)

 

[delilah]

Do you really believe that's all of it?

I don't know much bout biology, but that seems awful strange to me.
Cos it doesn't half look like people of African descent* seem to be able - 1 for 1- to run faster than other races, run further than other races, punch harder - or maybe it's stick more punches...I don't watch boxing, or any sports.
And I'd presume such physical prowess has an effect on the football/rugby field.

It's even specific than that in some cases. (Some) people of northern Kenyan or Ethiopian descent seem to make much better long distance runners than ...well, almost anyone.
Meanwhile, they- people of African decent- evidently don't have much drive to succeed at international level in the pool. curiouser and curiouser said Alice
Perhaps the moneys not good enough in swimming @delilah?

*and for the avoidance of doubt, I'm referring to folk who've come out of Africa in recent centuries, as opposed to everyone else.

You've clearly given it more thought than me. All I have cared about for the last 40 years, from Garth Crooks onwards, is if they can put the ball in the back of the net then they can be any colour under the sun.

Now that you have set me thinking though, I did once hear a rather sinister explanation for the fact that black guys are so good at running/jumping/bowling . When the slave traders selected the guys to go on the ships they picked the strongest looking, and that selection of the fittest in the gene pool shows itself today in 'developed' world sport.

 

[Lowland1]

You've clearly given it more thought than me. All I have cared about for the last 40 years, from Garth Crooks onwards, is if they can put the ball in the back of the net then they can be any colour under the sun.

Now that you have set me thinking though, I did once hear a rather sinister explanation for the fact that black guys are so good at running/jumping/bowling . When the slave traders selected the guys to go on the ships they picked the strongest looking, and that selection of the fittest in the gene pool shows itself today in 'developed' world sport.

There used to be a comedy slot on the Radio here with African and Black American comedians one Nigerian comedian had a very good routine about African Americans which had a punch line which was basically ‘African Americans they aren’t African they’re just the ones that got caught’

 

[SilliamWhale]

The way it’s written is wrong but the sentiment may not be. Why do certain races not advance themselves and others do. The general consensus we are coming from is that there is a bias against some. Is it true or is there a form of natural selection that’s pushing some groups of people forward.

I don't think it's about race at all. It's like saying people with big left testicles have a better chance of becoming successful.

Race is a lot younger than people think anthropological. We are so conditioned to see people through race but it's not as important as people think it is

 

[Lowland1]

I don't think it's about race at all. It's like saying people with big left testicles have a better chance of becoming successful.

Race is a lot younger than people think anthropologically

It’s culture that sets people apart but culture and race are difficult to separate.

 

[SilliamWhale]

It’s culture that sets people apart but culture and race are difficult to separate.

Not really!