ELMS “wish list”
- Thread starter Clive
- Start date
For me
‘rotational multi species 9 month min cover crop”
paid on the basis of income forgon - ie margin from a break crop
natural capital and public goods =
reducing N use / C from N production and nitrates in water
reducing pesticide use need to clean from water
reducing soil erosion / flooding / dredging
carbon capture
increase SOM
increase species diversity
increase nature habit
increase beneficials populations
reduce crop disease spread and need to treat
reducing over production of some commodities
reduced carbon footprint/ lower fuel use etc
i think such an option could be of massive environmental benefit and help farm viability no end ....... probably too expensive however?
‘rotational multi species 9 month min cover crop”
paid on the basis of income forgon - ie margin from a break crop
natural capital and public goods =
reducing N use / C from N production and nitrates in water
reducing pesticide use need to clean from water
reducing soil erosion / flooding / dredging
carbon capture
increase SOM
increase species diversity
increase nature habit
increase beneficials populations
reduce crop disease spread and need to treat
reducing over production of some commodities
reduced carbon footprint/ lower fuel use etc
i think such an option could be of massive environmental benefit and help farm viability no end ....... probably too expensive however?
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so how do you make that a “option” ?
Campani
Member
Very large River corridors. An area drawn on the map that allows habitat and trees to generate alongside a river. this is different to buffers which have to be measured from the top of the bank.
We have fields where the river is moving regularly, we cannot put them into current buffer options as we have to give the buffer, plus extra in case of erosion. Where we gain land from deposition it is inherently unproductive. Would prefer to mark on a map an area of low inputs, reduced grazing alongside the river and let the river do its own thing inside. would make managing alongside rivers much easier.
We have fields where the river is moving regularly, we cannot put them into current buffer options as we have to give the buffer, plus extra in case of erosion. Where we gain land from deposition it is inherently unproductive. Would prefer to mark on a map an area of low inputs, reduced grazing alongside the river and let the river do its own thing inside. would make managing alongside rivers much easier.
I will have a go
The same payment as now but No payment for fields above say 30 acres,if you have a field bigger than that you can put in a flower margin in to split it,that way they would get more wildlife corridors and people that have keep small fields with hedges or margins around them would not lose out because of reduced work rate
The same payment as now but No payment for fields above say 30 acres,if you have a field bigger than that you can put in a flower margin in to split it,that way they would get more wildlife corridors and people that have keep small fields with hedges or margins around them would not lose out because of reduced work rate
My wish list is for a payment on hedges that IS NOT conditional on trimming every two or three years. It is detrimental to fast growing hedges in this part of the world and I WILL NOT do it.
likewise as I work with small fields, average size less than 10 acres I do not want to see any increase in margins around hedges. It is hugely disproportionate to those of us with small fields.
Having listened to the webinar this morning and seeing many of the questions obviously from environmental groups this scheme does not enthuse me in any way.
likewise as I work with small fields, average size less than 10 acres I do not want to see any increase in margins around hedges. It is hugely disproportionate to those of us with small fields.
Having listened to the webinar this morning and seeing many of the questions obviously from environmental groups this scheme does not enthuse me in any way.
Horn&corn
Member
You make it the first prerequisite for applying.
I’m aware it’s not going to go down well with political donors therefore will never happen but I think it would be Better received by the tax payers if this money went to farmer that produce quality products while enhancing the environment.
Let's get this straight---
You want me to pay you to put a crop in for a few months to improve your land?---If you want payments for something it better be tangible , long term and of primary benefit to me the individual taxpayer
So you can reduce your artificial N inputs (save you money)
So you pollute the water less? --If you are doing this you should be fined
Reduce soil erosion/flooding ---if your practices are causing damage through flooding you should be making restorative payments?
Reducing disease spread is in your favour and does not need paying for by me
Bit more whip and less carrot is my first thought?
- Location
- East yorks
So for the income forgone do you see it as the output from say a good crop of osr or income equivalent to the cost of doing the option which is what some see it as.
The first I think would make it worth while, for me the second would mean I wouldn’t bother with elms
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
I’m guessing your biggest field is 29 acres?
No it 70! And it’s easier to farm that than 7 10 acre fields but as a public good the 7 field’s are better for wildlife
If we're going to go down this road.....
Pay folks for running a 1970's museum.
Flat rate for each farmer, none of this paying on 1000's acres so folks can buy more 1000's acres.
Pay on results too....
Have you actually got barn owls / hedgehogs / swallows / multi species of trees / hedgerow millage etc. Too many waffle on about wildlife corridors and nature habitat, yet preside over a clinical farmyard and vast prairie lands which are devoid of anything at all.
Pay folks for running a 1970's museum.
Flat rate for each farmer, none of this paying on 1000's acres so folks can buy more 1000's acres.
Pay on results too....
Have you actually got barn owls / hedgehogs / swallows / multi species of trees / hedgerow millage etc. Too many waffle on about wildlife corridors and nature habitat, yet preside over a clinical farmyard and vast prairie lands which are devoid of anything at all.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
How about a payment for those using no insecticides? Might help compensate for some of the crop yield losses. Benefit is more insects and birds.
What about a grant for asbestos roof removal? Benefit is less hazardous substances in the countryside, better health and safety, more aesthetic appeal.
I’d go for watercourse buffers as well. Fairly simple and effective. Value for money.
What about a grant for asbestos roof removal? Benefit is less hazardous substances in the countryside, better health and safety, more aesthetic appeal.
I’d go for watercourse buffers as well. Fairly simple and effective. Value for money.
An area payment for the growing of miscanthus. It ticks every one of Clive's boxes, it's also semi permanent so your not going to chop and change once it's established.
Carbon neutral, everything the rpa wants really and can't get a damn thing currently.
Uses are for regenerative fuel, more green than rediculous maize for AD plants.
No brainier.
Carbon neutral, everything the rpa wants really and can't get a damn thing currently.
Uses are for regenerative fuel, more green than rediculous maize for AD plants.
No brainier.
Permissive footpath/bridleway. Benches, picnic area. Water tap.horse/ mountain bike jumps.Encourage, controlled access. Nature trail.
Keep farming as before but let taxpayers have some controllable access.
Keep farming as before but let taxpayers have some controllable access.
No thank you!!
That's a lot polite than my initial response. This weekend just gone I've encountered 10 people nowhere even near the footpath going through our place.
"BuT wE hAvE tHe RiGhT tO rOaM!"
DRC
Member
Isn’t that basically the current 2 yr legume fallow in CSS. Pays £522 ha I think .
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