- Location
- East Sussex
I admire the optimism in that we’d get listened to but I’m thinking this is just going to end in some round robin argument.
We’ll just get what we’re given as usual.
We’ll just get what we’re given as usual.
ELMS “wish list”
- Thread starter Clive
- Start date
That would certainly create a lot of jobs for the inspectors . When I was in HLS they sent someone out to see if my options were increasing lapwing numbers. Chap sat there all day until he saw one fly over. That’ll do he said, ticked the box and left. I knew there were loads over the road at the sand and gravel quarry, where they’d let a lot of the holes fill up with water and reclaimed land .If we're going to go down this road.....
Pay folks for running a 1970's museum.
Flat rate for each farmer, none of this paying on 1000's acres so folks can buy more 1000's acres.
Pay on results too....
Have you actually got barn owls / hedgehogs / swallows / multi species of trees / hedgerow millage etc. Too many waffle on about wildlife corridors and nature habitat, yet preside over a clinical farmyard and vast prairie lands which are devoid of anything at all.
no - i want you to pay for the natural capital and public goods i have suggested such an option can deliver
i’m not going to do it for free and don’t see why anyone else will either
yes, similar but not quite as good imo, the existing scheme has been a complete mess really hasn’t it - impossible to apply without a expensive agent, payment delays, competitive etc - caped maximums on such options etc
i wanted to do it but it just didn’t work for us when we tried (i wasted money trying in fact so it actually cost me!)
be interesting to see what income forgone is based on
regional average output i reckon maybe ?
Hold on ---i thought all these things you suggested were no brainers and would increase the net worth/profitability of your land asset ? If that's the case why wouldn't you be doing it anyway without me paying you?
And i would argue that in many cases you should be doing by law what you are asking me to pay you for?
If you wanted paying & if I were the judge (which luckily for you i'm not) you would have to deliver much more than you are offering
I'm not convinced ----
We did 10 years of HLS, which worked well at the time, but I’ve turned down two mid tier offers since, as the payments were no where near as attractive and the reports of inspections holding up your BPS, coupled with late or non payments, put me off.
I have to agree with you on this. I don’t see how it will sit well with the public if we are being paid for farming in a way that is better for both the ecology and our bank balances. The whole reason I’m going down this more regenerative route is first and foremost to make more money.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Increase use of IPM.
BUT that means that options must be available to keep blackgrass in check. For example, Autumn cover to glyphosate in April, to be reseeded with summer cover crop, with the option of spraying and reseeding again.
Payment to use less N on wheat, income forgone plus a bit.
Payment for growing flowering crops to attract bees, no insecticides allowed.
BUT that means that options must be available to keep blackgrass in check. For example, Autumn cover to glyphosate in April, to be reseeded with summer cover crop, with the option of spraying and reseeding again.
Payment to use less N on wheat, income forgone plus a bit.
Payment for growing flowering crops to attract bees, no insecticides allowed.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Does you 'average man on the street' care what happens in the countryside. Does he really want to pay for more biodiversity, carbon storage, etc etc. How about more money into the NHS? Police? Education? Roads?
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
Do they care....when asked they say they really care.
Do they want to pay...? I don’t think so.
Do they really care....the amount of littering that happens suggests for some it doesn’t really enter their mind.
I was about to say give it to the nhs and let us crack on and farm however we see fit!
Just testing the water!! That is what they will be wanting from ELMs when all is said and done!
great news for landowners, not so great for farmers
i really hope not a single £ of ELMS goes to a landowner (my self included). to do so is morally bankrupt
it’s the use / management of land that should be reformed not investment potential
i think people care about the environment yes
i think many businesses can benifit from services that farmers can offer yes. many such products and services are currently given away
All the money to go to permanent pasture.
Everyone else to be able to farm profitably without ELMS, due to all state sector departments (NHS, schools, prisons etc) having a 'British first' purchasing policy.
Would deliver the two public goods that the public wishes to see above all others:
- pretty, well maintained, tourist areas.
- reduced co2 emissions, both through stable storage in PP and reduced food miles via increased home production.
Would only need a handful of inspectors keeping an eye on the PP via satellite.
Everyone else to be able to farm profitably without ELMS, due to all state sector departments (NHS, schools, prisons etc) having a 'British first' purchasing policy.
Would deliver the two public goods that the public wishes to see above all others:
- pretty, well maintained, tourist areas.
- reduced co2 emissions, both through stable storage in PP and reduced food miles via increased home production.
Would only need a handful of inspectors keeping an eye on the PP via satellite.
As long as some peasant has hacked tracks through the wilderness for dog crapping events, they'll be happy.
Jo28
Member
- Location
- East Yorks
Why should someone pay to plant a cover crop instead of a break crop and not get paid for it? Do you work for free???